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Author: Jack LinthicumJack Linthicum Date: Jul 3, 2008 15:52
Email solicitation from Amazon touts this book. I haven't seen it yet
and wonder if it is worth the price. Included are the publisher's
outline and one customer review. This review seems to argue against
buying the book, if only because it looks like it will hit the
remainder shelf pretty quickly.
Japanese Military Strategy in the Pacific War: Was Defeat Inevitable?
(Paperback)
by James B. Wood (Author)
List Price: $24.95
Also Available in:
Hardcover $69.00
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Author: hcobbhcobb Date: Jul 3, 2008 16:48
On Jul 3, 6:52 am, Jack Linthicum earthlink.net> wrote:> He argues instead that it was only when the Japanese military
> abandoned its original strategic plan to secure resources and
> establish a viable defensible perimeter that the Allies were able to
> regain the initiative and lock Japanese forces into a war of attrition
> they were not prepared to fight.
How does setting a goal of establishing a defensible perimeter differ
from yielding the initiative?
Both major axis powers used rigid inflexible defenses once they came
to understand that they could not conquer the USA or USSR.
Defense minus flexibility and the ability to deploy effective counter
attack forces equals defeat.
-HJC
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Author: deemsbilldeemsbill Date: Jul 3, 2008 16:51
A 207 page paperback for $24.95? I wouldn't buy it new. The
publisher's outline sounds like a load of BS and the review pretty
much confirms it. I might pick it up for $3 at the used book store.
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Author: YMCYMC Date: Jul 3, 2008 18:49
The only way the Japanese could have won the war in the Pacific was if it
could somehow convince the Americans that the war was a waste of time.
And that is practically impossible once Japan embarked on a campaign of
Total War with the Americans (and British, Dutch etc..)
If they could somehow have contained it- meaning avoidng attacking America
at all cost- and hoping to provoke America to initiate, the Japanese may
have had a small hope of victory.
Once the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor whilst still in the midst of
diplomatic negotiations - they convinced America that all out war was a
necessity and literally signed their own death warrants.
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Author: Jack LinthicumJack Linthicum Date: Jul 3, 2008 19:34
On Jul 3, 12:49 pm, "YMC" gmail.com> wrote:> The only way the Japanese could have won the war in the Pacific was if it
> could somehow convince the Americans that the war was a waste of time.
>
> And that is practically impossible once Japan embarked on a campaign of
> Total War with the Americans (and British, Dutch etc..)
>
> If they could somehow have contained it- meaning avoidng attacking America
> at all cost- and hoping to provoke America to initiate, the Japanese may
> have had a small hope of victory.
>
> Once the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor whilst still in the midst of
> diplomatic negotiations - they convinced America that all out war was a
> necessity and literally signed their own death warrants.
I have read somewhere that if the Japanese had failed at Pearl Harbor
they could have won the war. The success at Pearl and other early
victories gave them "victory disease" which made them take rash steps
when staying put would have been sufficient. Also if all the U.S.
battleships had survived who knows who would have won the Great Battle?
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Author: deemsbilldeemsbill Date: Jul 3, 2008 19:47
On Jul 3, 1:34 pm, Jack Linthicum earthlink.net> wrote:> On Jul 3, 12:49 pm, "YMC" gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The only way the Japanese could have won the war in the Pacific was if it
>> could somehow convince the Americans that the war was a waste of time.
>
>> And that is practically impossible once Japan embarked on a campaign of
>> Total War with the Americans (and British, Dutch etc..)
>
>> If they could somehow have contained it- meaning avoidng attacking America
>> at all cost- and hoping to provoke America to initiate, the Japanese may
>> have had a small hope of victory.
>
>> Once the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor whilst still in the midst of
>> diplomatic negotiations - they convinced America that all out war was a
>> necessity and literally signed their own death warrants.
>
> I have read somewhere that if the Japanese had failed at Pearl Harbor
> they could have won the war. The success at Pearl and other early
> victories gave them "victory disease" which made them take rash steps ...
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Author: Keith WillshawKeith Willshaw Date: Jul 3, 2008 19:47
> Email solicitation from Amazon touts this book. I haven't seen it yet
> and wonder if it is worth the price. Included are the publisher's
> outline and one customer review. This review seems to argue against
> buying the book, if only because it looks like it will hit the
> remainder shelf pretty quickly.
>
I looked at the previews on google books and was distinctly underwhelmed.
The author handwaves away the massive material superiority of
the USA and argues that if Japan jad avoided an attritional
campaign it would have done better. Trouble is once the USA
had sufficient forces to intervene that was always going to happen.
His most egregious error IMHO is the idea he puts forward that
they could have avoived the Soviets becoming involved by
ceding Manchuria to them !
This handily ignores the fact that had they been prepared to leave China
and Manchuria they wouldnt have needed to go to war ! Indeed
avoiding war was the only winning strategy for Japan.
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Author: dott.Piergiorgiodott.Piergiorgio Date: Jul 3, 2008 21:52
>> I have read somewhere that if the Japanese had failed at Pearl Harbor
>> they could have won the war. The success at Pearl and other early
>> victories gave them "victory disease" which made them take rash steps
>> when staying put would have been sufficient. Also if all the U.S.
>> battleships had survived who knows who would have won the Great Battle?
>
> Even if the Japanese had won the Great Battle, they were still
> toast if the US pressed ahead. I think the only chance they had was if
> Germany had managed to win in Europe.
Meh.... the outcome of the Great Battle, taking 1941-2 hardware, will be
hardly favoreable to the USN; aside The Beast, there was a 6-decks Kido
Buitai capable to nix US aerial reconnaissance, and put...
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Author: John CarrierJohn Carrier Date: Jul 3, 2008 22:36
"Keith Willshaw" demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:g4j3au$50a$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...>> Email solicitation from Amazon touts this book. I haven't seen it yet
>> and wonder if it is worth the price. Included are the publisher's
>> outline and one customer review. This review seems to argue against
>> buying the book, if only because it looks like it will hit the
>> remainder shelf pretty quickly.
>>
>
> I looked at the previews on google books and was distinctly underwhelmed.
>
> The author handwaves away the massive material superiority of
> the USA and argues that if Japan jad avoided an attritional
> campaign it would have done better. Trouble is once the USA
> had sufficient forces to intervene that was always going to happen.
>
> His most egregious error IMHO is the idea he puts forward that ...
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Author: Raymond O'HaraRaymond O'Hara Date: Jul 4, 2008 00:24
"dott.Piergiorgio" wrote in
message news:p6abk.9702$f86.7036@tornado.fastwebnet.it...
>>> I have read somewhere that if the Japanese had failed at Pearl Harbor
>>> they could have won the war. The success at Pearl and other early
>>> victories gave them "victory disease" which made them take rash steps
>>> when staying put would have been sufficient. Also if all the U.S.
>>> battleships had survived who knows who would have won the Great Battle?
>>
>> Even if the Japanese had won the Great Battle, they were still
>> toast if the US pressed ahead. I think the only chance they had was if
>> Germany had managed to win in Europe.
>
> Meh.... the outcome of the Great Battle, taking 1941-2 hardware, will be
> hardly favoreable to the USN; aside The Beast, there was a 6-decks Kido
> Buitai capable to nix US aerial reconnaissance, and put out of action a
> pair of US decks, and perhaps start the torpedo attrition; then will came
> the real ace in the Japanese sleeve: the Long Lance; there will be an
> night torpedo attack from Japanese CA, DD and the two torpedo cruisers ...
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