On 10/07/11 20:43, Tankfixer wrote:
> In article
, - William Black
> blackusenet@gmail.com spouted !>>
>> On 07/07/11 14:55, deemsbill@
aol.com wrote:
>>> On Jul 6, 1:25 am, Kerryn Offord
uclive.ac.nz> wrote:>>>> On 7/6/2011 1:05 PM, frank wrote:
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>>>>> On Jul 4, 7:49 pm, Kerryn Offord
uclive.ac.nz> wrote:>>>>>> On 7/5/2011 10:59 AM, Tankfixer wrote:
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>>>>>>> In article
, - Kerryn Offord kao16
>>>>>>> @uclive.ac.nz spouted !>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/5/2011 8:17 AM, frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 9:19 pm, Kerryn Offord
uclive.ac.nz> wrote:>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2011 1:03 PM, Matt Wiser wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 5:41 pm, "deemsb...@
aol.com"
aol.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 4:59 pm, "Jeffrey Hamilton" wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> deemsb...@
aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 11:51 am, Tankfixer
gmail.coom> wrote:>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 10:40 am, Dan
AOL.COM> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2011 7:47 AM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
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lava.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:06pv079d32n9pm1q28hjamu9l9aoinrnvm@4ax.com...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 18:35:19 -0700 (PDT), Matt Wiser
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yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 1:45 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
coldine.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> red...@
lava.net wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, the indefinite incarceration of the young pfc is immoral.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I say schedule a trial (or free him).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about scheduling his posing for a firing squad instead?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's only one punishment for espionage, whether it's for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some twerp like Assange or for a foreign power.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now grasshopper that isn't gonna happen, now is it. And what ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens, PFC. Manning has to go through the military injustice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system first. You know, like Eddie Slovic.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for Mr. Assange, the american government's, and apparently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your problem, stems from that pesky Supeme Court decision of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thirty-five some years ago.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you and 'tricky Dick' just have to choke on it. - redvet
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assange did nothing wrong. the Army did, it had shoddy security
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the bitching about Assange is just an attempt to obscure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their failure.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manning violated his oath, he breached state security and if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convicted the hope is he never breaths the air of freedom again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if for no other reason than as a warning to others thinking of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And this wasn't any Pentagon Papers type deal where lies and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crimes were being covered up. he was just exposing things for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money and to cause trouble.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I will wait until the trial to see what happened. From
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I have seen it would seem he is guilty, but let's see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his defense comes up with.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the beginning, it looked like he was going to try for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "whistleblower"....but the amount and type of info he released would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to argue against that. I think they're going to nail him to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wall.....but we should probably wait to see if he's convicted.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A whistle-blower defense would have worked had he gone to the proper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authorities with his information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead Manning chose to give it to agents of a foreign power.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If he had released only information about things he thought were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegal, he might have a shot....although you're technically right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about proper authorities....but it looks like he released just about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything he could get his hands on.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is Wiki-Leaks a foreign power do you think , @deems ? Just asking, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand. :)
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Never said it was. He did release the information so that foreign
>>>>>>>>>>>> powers could access it......- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>>>>>> And that'll earn him life in a Supermax at least. Since the U.S. is at
>>>>>>>>>>> war, after all, wartime espionage law should apply. No matter what.
>>>>>>>>>>> And that means either posing for rifle fire or a noose. (in theory,
>>>>>>>>>>> anyway)
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> US Media have done more to publicize the information than he did.. Do
>>>>>>>>>> they also suffer a penalty?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No that was settled in the Pentagon Papers case. Now technically by
>>>>>>>>> accepting the classified document the press is in violation of Federal
>>>>>>>>> law, but the First Amendment trumped that statute. At least so far in
>>>>>>>>> the law. And with how precedents go in the US, its going to be
>>>>>>>>> virtually impossible to change.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which raises the question of why US was/is going after wikileaks...
>>>>>>>> First Amendment should apply equally to all publishers .
>>>>
>>>>>>> The US always goes after spies..
>>>>
>>>>>> So why weren't they going after the Washington post/ WSJ etc who
>>>>>> published the cables for all to see?
>>>>
>>>>> 1st amendment. Another reason, never get in a pissing contest with
>>>>> somebody who buys ink by the barrel.
>>>>
>>>> But they "went after" WikiLeaks... Don't they have 1st amendment protection?
>>>
>>> I think there's enough gray area whether Wikileaks is "the press"
>>> that some ambitious prosecutor might take a shot. I don't think it
>>> would fly,.but you never know. Most of the histrionics was because of
>>> outrage and embarrassment. Neither are all that effective in court if
>>> the defendant can afford a good lawyer.
>>
>> Assange doesn't need to afford good lawyers.
>>
>> He's got a queue of some of the world's best lawyers wanting to defend
>> him for nothing.
>>
>> They say that this isn't about Assange, it's about free speech...
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> Funny thing is he has free speech..
> Too bad he chose to use it to broadcast stolen documents
Publish, the word is publish, not broadcast...
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William Black
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