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Author: G. A. EdgarG. A. Edgar Date: Jul 21, 2008 09:00
If n is a positive integer and p is a prime factor of 2n,
then p divides 2(2^(2n)-1) ?? Presumably true, but is it easy?
The primes p in question make up the denominator of Bernoulli number
B_{2n}, so an alternate formulation is: 2(2^n-1)B_n is an integer,
where B_n is a Bernoulli number.
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Author: Peter PearsonPeter Pearson Date: Jul 21, 2008 10:30
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:00:02 +0000 (UTC), G. A. Edgar wrote:
> If n is a positive integer and p is a prime factor of 2n,
> then p divides 2(2^(2n)-1) ?? Presumably true, but is it easy?
n = 15
p = 5, is prime, divides 30
2(2^(30)-1) = 2147483646 is not divisible by 5. Does this
disprove the "presumably true" assertion?
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Author: Robert IsraelRobert Israel Date: Jul 21, 2008 10:30
"G. A. Edgar" math.ohio-state.edu.invalid> writes:
> If n is a positive integer and p is a prime factor of 2n,
> then p divides 2(2^(2n)-1) ?? Presumably true, but is it easy?
Huh? Try n=p=5. In fact it's never true for n=p>3.
If p is an odd prime and n = k p, then 2^p == 2 mod p
so 2(2^(2n)-1) == 2(2^(2k)-1) mod p. Your statement would be true
if p(p-1) divides 2n.
> The primes p in question make up the denominator of Bernoulli number
> B_{2n}, so an alternate formulation is: 2(2^n-1)B_n is an integer,
> where B_n is a Bernoulli number.
The primes dividing the denominator of B_{2n} don't necessarily divide 2n.
For example, the denominator of B_200 is 2*3*5*11*41*101.
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Robert Israel israel@math.MyUniversitysInitials.ca
Department of Mathematics http://www.math.ubc.ca/~israel
University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Author: G. A. EdgarG. A. Edgar Date: Jul 21, 2008 11:00
In article news.acm.uiuc.edu>, Peter Pearson
wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:00:02 +0000 (UTC), G. A. Edgar wrote:
>> If n is a positive integer and p is a prime factor of 2n,
>> then p divides 2(2^(2n)-1) ?? Presumably true, but is it easy?
>
> n = 15
> p = 5, is prime, divides 30
> 2(2^(30)-1) = 2147483646 is not divisible by 5. Does this
> disprove the "presumably true" assertion?
I checked my conjecture for n up to 1000 or so. In fact I stated
it wrong here. We want a p-1 in there in one spot.
New formulation:
If n is a positive integer and p-1 is a prime factor of 2n,
then p divides 2(2^(2n)-1) ?? Presumably true, but is it easy?
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Author: Robert IsraelRobert Israel Date: Jul 21, 2008 13:30
"G. A. Edgar" math.ohio-state.edu.invalid> writes:
> In article news.acm.uiuc.edu>, Peter Pearson
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:00:02 +0000 (UTC), G. A. Edgar wrote:
>>> If n is a positive integer and p is a prime factor of 2n,
>>> then p divides 2(2^(2n)-1) ?? Presumably true, but is it easy?
>>
>> n = 15
>> p = 5, is prime, divides 30
>> 2(2^(30)-1) = 2147483646 is not divisible by 5. Does this
>> disprove the "presumably true" assertion?
>
> I checked my conjecture for n up to 1000 or so. In fact I stated
> it wrong here. We want a p-1 in there in one spot.
> New formulation:
>
> If n is a positive integer and p-1 is a prime factor of 2n,
> then p divides 2(2^(2n)-1) ?? Presumably true, but is it easy?
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