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  Is Cantor's Diagonal Proof Impredicative?         


Author: LauLuna
Date: Jul 1, 2008 10:09

A definition is called 'impredicative' iff it defines an object x by
reference to a set of which x is a member.

A proof is impredicative iff it involves an impredicative definition.

Cantor's theorem says that for all sets S there is no one-one function
from S to P(S), the set of all subsets of S. Cantor's diagonal proof
is a reductio that goes as follows:

Suppose there is a one-one function f:S -> P(S). Consider the set of
all members x of S such that ~xef(x). Call it D. D has to be in the
range of f; so there is a member d of S such that f(d)=D. Then deD <->
~deD.Q.E.D.

The definition of D involves f, which involves P(S), of which D is a
member if D exists. The keystone of the proof is that if f exists,
then D exists. But D seems to be impredicatively defined. If we ban
impredicative definitions, the proof fails.

Is that right? No predicativist accepts the diagonal proof? Are there
nuances as to what impredicative proofs are to be accepted according
to different predicativist stances?

Thanks
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  #539 the proof of the Infinitude of Twin Primes in AP-adics and in the fake system of Natural-Numbers ; new textbook: Mathematical Physics (AP-adic Primer)         


Author: plutonium.archimedes
Date: Jul 1, 2008 09:22

Tues, Feb 19 2008 9:54 pm was the last time I remember posting to this
book, but since my recent
appearance in a South Dakota newspaper that asks the question: Is
Archimedes Plutonium a genius.
Well, that answer is easy to answer.

I wrote a book correcting about 30 professors of mathematics who each
wrote a book wherein they
gave their own proof of the Euclid Infinitude of Primes and G. H.
Hardy was amoung that group
and there were other prominent mathematicians in that group. And Hardy
is considered a genius
but if Hardy could not deliver a valid Euclid Infinitude of Primes
proof and it took Archimedes Plutonium
to show where those 30 professors of math made a big mistake. And if
we consider Hardy
a genius, then we have to say that Archimedes Plutonium must be a
genius.
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  #539 the proof of the Infinitude of Twin Primes in AP-adics and in the fake system of Natural-Numbers ; new textbook: Mathematical Physics (AP-adic Primer)         


Author: plutonium.archimedes
Date: Jul 1, 2008 09:20

Tues, Feb 19 2008 9:54 pm was the last time I remember posting to this
book, but since my recent
appearance in a South Dakota newspaper that asks the question: Is
Archimedes Plutonium a genius.
Well, that answer is easy to answer.

I wrote a book correcting about 30 professors of mathematics who each
wrote a book wherein they
gave their own proof of the Euclid Infinitude of Primes and G. H.
Hardy was amoung that group
and there were other prominent mathematicians in that group. And Hardy
is considered a genius
but if Hardy could not deliver a valid Euclid Infinitude of Primes
proof and it took Archimedes Plutonium
to show where those 30 professors of math made a big mistake. And if
we consider Hardy
a genius, then we have to say that Archimedes Plutonium must be a
genius.
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  CFP: Submission deadline approaching: ICDM '08         


Author: ivyllaw
Date: Jul 1, 2008 06:45

ICDM '08: The 8th IEEE International Conference on Data Mining
--------------------------------------------------------------

December 15-19, 2008
Pisa, Italy
http://icdm08.isti.cnr.it/

Important Dates
---------------

June 30, 2008 Deadline for tutorial proposals
July 7, 2008 Deadline for paper submission
September 15, 2008 Notification to authors
October 7, 2008 Deadline for camera-ready copies
December 15-19, 2008 Conference

Call for Papers
---------------

The IEEE International Conference on Data Mining series (ICDM) has
established itself as the world's premier research conference in data
mining, providing a leading forum for presentation of original
research...
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  u just click, u get some dollars         


Author: Guruji.kumar
Date: Jul 1, 2008 05:33

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