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Author: The Ghost In The MachineThe Ghost In The Machine
Date: Dec 31, 2006 19:08
In sci.logic, Rupert
yahoo.com>
wrote
on 31 Dec 2006 18:41:42 -0800
<1167619302.158100.71590@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
[snip to address this point]
> Cantor's argument proves that there is no effective enumeration of the
> computable reals.
Pedant point: argument(S). Apparently there are two proofs, one using
a sequencing arrangement and the much more famous one using digits.
(Kinda neat, that. It means those who actually argue for
the reals' denumerability can get hit by both proofs. :-) )
>
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>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and it's not a
>>>>>>>>>>> computable matter to decide which do and which don't.
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Author: Daniel T.Daniel T.
Date: Dec 31, 2006 18:32
"aversiveness" gmail.com> wrote:
> Daniel T. wrote:
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>> It is pointless to talk to a solipsist, for he cannot, by
>> definition, know what you are saying. It is pointless to talk to a
>> subjectivist because he cannot, by definition, understand you.
>
> All I really care about the solipsist argument is how it clarifies
> the boundaries of measurement.
If the solipist attempts to make any argument, he is denying his basic
position. As such, there can be no "solipsist argument". In other words,
the solipsist argument is self-denying, because of this it can't
possibly clarify anything, much less the boundaries of measurement.
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Author: aversivenessaversiveness
Date: Dec 31, 2006 17:52
Daniel T. wrote:
> "aversiveness" gmail.com> wrote:
>> Daniel T. wrote:
>>> spam@ uce.gov (Citizen Bob) wrote:
>>>> "aversiveness" gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Deutch's comments serve only to put solipsism in its place.
>>>>> Central to the argument is the idea that for solipsism to
>>>>> 'work' then the must be 'else' from which information can be
>>>>> recieved by 'self'. That means that the entirety of what 'is'
>>>>> must include more than 'self'. But that doesn't really
>>>>> invalidate the usefulness of the solipsist argument about the
>>>>> boundaries of information. It also doesn't invalidate the
>>>>> solipsist question that keeps one from establishing that there
>>>>> is an objective firmament grounding one's reality.
>>>>
>>>> Based on what you just said, the only knowledge that a solipsist
>>>> can ever have is the knowledge of his own existence. There is no
>>>> mechanism for acquiring any other knowledge because only the
>>>> solipsist exists. IOW, the solipsist cannot know about future ...
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Author: Mike PainterMike Painter
Date: Dec 31, 2006 16:33
Citizen Bob wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 02:13:48 GMT, "Mike Painter"
> sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>>>>> Like claiming that God does not exist.
>
>>>> Atheism is not a claim,
>
>>> Atheists can and do make claims.
>
>>>> The only one making a claim in this case is YOU.
>
>>> So you claim, Septic. Doh! Self-refute much?
>
>> If there was any relation between "Atheism is not a claim," and
>> "Atheists can and do make claims." your statement might be valid.
>
> Atheism is the claim that God does not exist, and atheists make that
> claim.
That's your claim. ...
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Author: mikegordgemikegordge
Date: Dec 31, 2006 16:31
Randroid Terminator wrote:
> Nobody can identify an atom as sensory matter,
So how is it possible to count the number of protons and electrons
within an atom if an atom cant be sensed Randaphobe?
MG
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Author: Ken QuiriciKen Quirici
Date: Dec 31, 2006 16:00
> Tonico wrote:
>> a_plutonium wrote:
>> ......................................
>> My argument is this:
>>>
>>> Proof of Infinitude of Regular Primes, Euclid, Indirect Method:
>>> Definition of prime. Suppose Regular Primes are finite. Then
>>> {2,3,5,7,11,.... p_f} are all the primes that exist where p_f is the
>>> last prime. Construct W+1 as 2x3x7x...x p_f +1.
>>> Then, because of definition of prime and supposition W+1 is necessarily
>>> a new prime. W+1 cannot be composite. Contradiction, hence Regular
>>> Primes are infinite.
>>>
>>> Because the Infinitude of Regular Primes forces W+1 to be necessarily a
>>> new prime is the key that allows us to prove infinitude of twin-primes.
>>> This key was missed by all math professors.
>> ************************************************************
>> Again with the same nonsenses? Don't you EVER get tired?!? W+1 can be
>> composite, and thus the contradiction is gotten from the fact that a ...
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Author: Don PhillipsonDon Phillipson
Date: Dec 31, 2006 15:55
>> From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith math.missouri.edu>
>>> Suppose P is a proof of the proposition q. Is there a standard name
for
>>> q as a function of P?
> ..
>>> Is there a standard word for the thing that a more general proof
>>> proves?
>>> (I'm just trying to give a function in a computer program a sensible
>>> name. Things like 'target', 'result, 'goal' or 'end' just don't seem
>>> descriptive enough to me...)
No, there is no such "standard word." Symbolic logic was
invented (first by Mr. Venn, approx. 1800) because of 2,000
years of failure to find satisfactory standards in everyday
languages (first Greek, later Latin, later modern English and
French etc.) Russell and Whitehead demonstrated (1910)
that symbolic notation allows important things to be said
in ways everyday language does not allow.
"Robert Maas, see http://tinyurl.com/uh3t" Yahoo.Com> wrote in
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Author: mikegordgemikegordge
Date: Dec 31, 2006 15:17
Immortalist wrote:
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> Thats another theory based upon the probable for it is a prediction
> that you would be able to do so cloaked as a fact but merely a belief
> which may or nay not turn true.
Theories based on fact is as good as the fact itself, go on try my
theory out.
MG
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