> "ehsjr" bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
> news:3HTzj.19815$ES.6877@trnddc05
>
> [snip]
>
> : : Non-standard usage can make your posts harder to : : understand, and
> more difficult for others. Apparently, : : you don't care. I'm just
> adding one more response to : : let you know that your non-standard
> usage is not : : appreciated.
>
> Ok, you're the *second* complaint in 10+ years. When that figure gets to
> a noticable percentage, I might sit up and take notice.
>
> Ivor
>
> : :
> : : Ed

> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>>In article <87hcfkseyr.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...

>>> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>>>>In article <47CDEAD6.2D67BCF3@yahoo.com>, cbfalconer@yahoo.com
>>>>says...

>>>>> Foxtrot wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>> ... snip ...

>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there is a greaterlikelihood of hum if I connect a "2 wire"
>>>>>> phone extension by using one wire from a twisted pair and taking
>>>>>> the second wire from a different twisted pair?

>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. The idea of twisted pairs is that an interference appears on
>>>>> both lines, and thus tends to cancel itself. Separating the lines
>>>>> makes it easy for unequal induction.

>>>>
>>>>Twisting also makes the loop area low (average over a long stretch
>>>>is nil). Separating them makes a large loop, increasing the size of ...

>In article <87d4q8sc5k.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...

>> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>>>In article <87hcfkseyr.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...

>>>> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>>>>>In article <47CDEAD6.2D67BCF3@yahoo.com>, cbfalconer@yahoo.com
>>>>>says...

>>>>>> Foxtrot wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> ... snip ...

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there is a greaterlikelihood of hum if I connect a "2 wire"
>>>>>>> phone extension by using one wire from a twisted pair and taking
>>>>>>> the second wire from a different twisted pair?

>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. The idea of twisted pairs is that an interference appears on
>>>>>> both lines, and thus tends to cancel itself. Separating the lines
>>>>>> makes it easy for unequal induction.

>>>>>
>>>>>Twisting also makes the loop area low (average over a long stretch ...

> Ivor Jones wrote:

>> "ehsjr" bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> : : Non-standard usage can make your posts harder to : :
>> understand, and more difficult for others. Apparently, : : you
>> don't care. I'm just adding one more response to : : let you
>> know that your non-standard usage is not : : appreciated.
>>
>> Ok, you're the *second* complaint in 10+ years. When that figure
>> gets to a noticable percentage, I might sit up and take notice.

>
> Third. But don't worry about me, because *plonk*

> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>>In article <87d4q8sc5k.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...

>>> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>>>>In article <87hcfkseyr.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...

>>>>> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>>>>>>In article <47CDEAD6.2D67BCF3@yahoo.com>, cbfalconer@yahoo.com
>>>>>>says...

>>>>>>> Foxtrot wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ... snip ...

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there is a greaterlikelihood of hum if I connect a "2 wire"
>>>>>>>> phone extension by using one wire from a twisted pair and taking
>>>>>>>> the second wire from a different twisted pair?

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. The idea of twisted pairs is that an interference appears on
>>>>>>> both lines, and thus tends to cancel itself. Separating the lines
>>>>>>> makes it easy for unequal induction.

>>>>>> ...

>
> "CBFalconer" yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:47CF3D42.810AA5C9@yahoo.com
> : : Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> : : I replaced your non-standard (: :) quote markers with
> : : the normal '>'. Please don't use thos non-standard
> : : characters. They foul up other software.
>
> With respect, and without wishing to start a row, that's *your* problem. I
> use non-standard quote marks for a purpose. If your system can't cope with
> that, then it's up to *you* to do something about it. I have been using
> the quote marks I use for several years and you are the first to complain.
>

>
>
> "CBFalconer" yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:47D0B5CD.55C84978@yahoo.com
> : : PCPaul wrote:
> : : : Ivor Jones wrote:
> : : : : "ehsjr" bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
> : : : :
> : : : : [snip]
> : : : :
> : : : : : : Non-standard usage can make your posts harder
> : : : : : : to : :
> : : : : understand, and more difficult for others.
> : : : : Apparently, : : you don't care. I'm just adding one
> : : : : more response to : : let you know that your
> : : : : non-standard usage is not : : appreciated.
> : : : :
> : : : : Ok, you're the *second* complaint in 10+ years. ...

> CBFalconer yahoo.com> wrote:

>>In North America again (I don't know about elsewhere) the normal
>>phone uses 3 wires to connect to the two wires of the phone
>>circuit. The yellow wire carries the ring signal. Just disconnect
>>that and the phone won't ring, and the load is zero.

>
> I don't recall any system in North America that put ring
> voltage on a separate wire. The yellow wire is
> generally not connected unless one 4-wire cable is used
> for two separate telephone lines.
>
> In North America the "normal" line uses only 2 wires.
> The audio signal is applied between the "tip" and the
> "ring" of a single pair. "Ring Current" and "Loop
> Current" are also applied between the Tip and the Ring
> of the same pair.
>
> Commonly used drop cable has four wires: Green is the ...