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Re: Hum from phone wires running next to mains?         


Author: Floyd L. Davidson
Date: Mar 9, 2008 14:07

krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>In article <877igcpua6.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...
>> JosephKK yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:40:31 -0900, floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L.
>>>Davidson) wrote:
>>>
>>>>krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>>In article <87d4q8sc5k.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...
>>>>>> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>>>>In article <87hcfkseyr.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...
>>>>>>>> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>In article <47CDEAD6.2D67BCF3@yahoo.com>, cbfalconer@yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>says...
>>>>>>>>>> Foxtrot wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ... snip ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there is a greaterlikelihood of hum if I connect a "2 wire"
>>>>>>>>>>> phone extension by using one wire from a twisted pair and taking
>>>>>>>>>>> the second wire from a different twisted pair? ...
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Re: Hum from phone wires running next to mains?         


Date: Mar 9, 2008 14:18

In article <63ishuF282s6lU1@mid.individual.net>,
ivor@thisaddressis.invalid says...
>
> "krw" att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
> news:MPG.223dff2f50174ee99898e2@news.individual.net
> : > In article <63gmrhF27s269U1@mid.individual.net>,
> : > ivor@thisaddressis.invalid says...
>
> [snip]
>
> : >> Which makes it the *software's* problem, not mine. If
> : >> your software can't do what you want it to, get
> : >> software that can.
> : >
> : > This is only true if your intention is to write for
> : > yourself. In that case, why bother the rest of us?
>
> Nobody's forcing you to read my message. Which is written in plain text,
> by the way. If you can't cope with a simple : character in a bit of ASCII
> text, tough. ...
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Re: Hum from phone wires running next to mains?         


Date: Mar 9, 2008 14:21

In article <63is9jF27b926U1@mid.individual.net>,
ivor@thisaddressis.invalid says...
> "krw" att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
> news:MPG.223e004375fc73209898e4@news.individual.net
> : > In article <63iho1F27f59eU1@mid.individual.net>,
> : > ivor@thisaddressis.invalid says...
>
> [snip]
>
> : >> Ok, fine. But you are over-complicating things IMHO.
> : >> Why do you need different fonts for different levels
> : >> of quotes..?
> : >
> : > That is his choice, one that you are defeating for not
> : > other reason than you vanity (which this thread is
> : > likely stroking).
>
> Exactly - it's *his* choice, so why should *I* have to modify my
> long-established system to accommodate him and a handful of people who
> can't cope..? ...
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Re: Hum from phone wires running next to mains?         


Date: Mar 9, 2008 14:22

In article <63ise9F26s6auU1@mid.individual.net>,
ivor@thisaddressis.invalid says...
>
> "krw" att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
> news:MPG.223dff74f9f306b09898e3@news.individual.net
>
> [snip]
>
> : > *MY* system is configured properly. *YOU* have the
> : > problem. ...and more than one.
>
> Eh..? *I* don't have a problem.

Yes, you do.
> Seems to me it's *you* that has the
> problem, if you can't cope with a simple : character in a plain text
> message.

Again, it is not *I* who has a problem.

--
Keith
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Re: Hum from phone wires running next to mains?         


Date: Mar 9, 2008 14:23

In article <87pru3y5ar.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...
> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>In article <877igcpua6.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...
>>> JosephKK yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:40:31 -0900, floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L.
>>>>Davidson) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>>>In article <87d4q8sc5k.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...
>>>>>>> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>In article <87hcfkseyr.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...
>>>>>>>>> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>In article <47CDEAD6.2D67BCF3@yahoo.com>, cbfalconer@yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>says...
>>>>>>>>>>> Foxtrot wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ... snip ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there is a greaterlikelihood of hum if I connect a "2 wire"
>>>>>>>>>>>> phone extension by using one wire from a twisted pair and taking ...
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Re: Hum from phone wires running next to mains?         


Author: Don Bowey
Date: Mar 9, 2008 15:26

"krw" att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message news:MPG.223e1f756b97b6729898f6@news.individual.net...
> In article <87pru3y5ar.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...
>> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>In article <877igcpua6.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...
>>>> JosephKK yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:40:31 -0900, floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L.
>>>>>Davidson) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>>>>In article <87d4q8sc5k.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...
>>>>>>>> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>In article <87hcfkseyr.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...
>>>>>>>>>> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>In article <47CDEAD6.2D67BCF3@yahoo.com>, cbfalconer@yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>says...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Foxtrot wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ... snip ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there is a greaterlikelihood of hum if I connect a "2 wire" ...
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Re: Hum from phone wires running next to mains?         


Author: Floyd L. Davidson
Date: Mar 9, 2008 16:00

krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>In article <87pru3y5ar.fld@apaflo.com>, floyd@apaflo.com says...
>> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>
>> There is a fundamental difference between a folded
>> dipole and a loop antenna. It is exactly as I
>> suggested above.
>>
>>>Folded dipoles don't work so well if you twist them, though.
>>
>> You apparently have no idea what a folded dipole *is*,
>> in theory. Consider another similar construction, which
>> does not change anything in the same way that a loop
>> does: multiwire rhombics. The effects are the same as
>> experienced with a folded dipole (the two conductors equate
>> to one larger conductor).
>>
>> The claim that separation between the two wires of a
>> twisted pair (or even an untwisted parallel pair)
>> transmission line has the effect of a loop antenna is ...
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Re: Hum from phone wires running next to mains?         


Author: CBFalconer
Date: Mar 9, 2008 17:38

krw wrote:
> ivor@thisaddressis.invalid says...
>
... snip misquoted stuff ...
>
>> Nobody's forcing you to read my message. Which is written in
>> plain text, by the way. If you can't cope with a simple :
>> character in a bit of ASCII text, tough.
>
> This post typifies your attitude toward you reader. The question
> is, why do *you* bother writing if you have no interest in your
> reader?

Well, there have been detailed intelligent postings of reasons to
comply, and postings of general malignancy, and I have avoided at
least 1/2 of all that so far. I see no reason to retract my plonk
so far. I wonder how many other plonkers there are out there.
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Re: Hum from phone wires running next to mains?         


Author: phil-news-nospam
Date: Mar 9, 2008 20:04

In alt.engineering.electrical Ivor Jones wrote:
|
| "Stuart" dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
| news:4f7d88c922SW_NOSPAM@dsl.pipex.com
| : > In article <63ishuF282s6lU1@mid.individual.net>,
| : > Ivor Jones wrote:
|
| : >> Nobody's forcing you to read my message. Which is
| : >> written in plain text, by the way. If you can't cope
| : >> with a simple : character in a bit of ASCII text,
| : >> tough.
| : >
| : > I think the only real issue is that ":" could appear
| : > naturally in a "plain text" email as it is a standard
| : > punctuation mark, ">" is far less likely though I
| : > suppose ": :" is unlikely too.
|
| But what is the objection..? I just don't get it. I've been on Usenet for
| over 10 years and nobody...
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Re: Hum from phone wires running next to mains?         


Author: phil-news-nospam
Date: Mar 9, 2008 20:05

In alt.engineering.electrical Ivor Jones wrote:
|
|
| "Stuart" dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
| news:4f7d876e8aSW_NOSPAM@dsl.pipex.com
|
| [snip]
|
| : > Can't say as it caused me any issues here except the
| : > fact of ": :" putting it down to the second level of
| : > quoting as if you had used "> >"
|
| Fixed. That *was* a misconfiguration ;-)

What was fixed? The same issue still exists. It is NOT an issue of what
the character is. It is an issue of DOUBLE indenting.
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