Chuck Harris
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> Bob Quintal wrote:
>> Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
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>> news:pan.2007.07.05.22.54.39.208429@example.net:
>> >>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:36:05 +0000, Bob Quintal wrote:
>>>> Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
example.net> wrote in>>> What is this "access to the green" stuff you keep chanting?
>>> I
>>
>> I stated that taxation is not theft. It's like a membership
>> fee to a golf club. If you want to putt on the green you
>> gotta pay the fee. If you don't want to putt on the greens,
>> or drink in the clubhousew, get off the golf course...
>
> The problem with your view, is it requires that private
> ownership be null and void. I cannot own my part of the
> green, the government does, and just lets me use it for a fee.
That's not a problem. You still own your golf clubs. You still
own your cleats. As a member you have a voice in the
administration of the club, through the members' meetings. Hell
you can run for club president.
>
> That is nothing but a socialist/communist form of government.
Life sucks. Or maybe it's just you. There are some things in
thee world you cannot change, and some things that you should
not change, even though you could change them.
>
>>> don't want anybody else's money any more than I want to hand
>>> over my money to them, unless there's some exchange of value
>>> where we both come out ahead.
>>>
>>> But when it comes to taxes, I'm denied the right to make
>>> that decision.
>>
>> BullS#!T.
>>
>> You have a vote.You have the right to get involved in
>> politics. Get off your lazy butt and work at steering
>> political decisions.
>
> Again, as Rich said, I am denied the right to make that
> decision for myself. I, as you said, have to lobby (beg) the
> rest of the people, or the government to let me make the
> decision. That is not free will, that is socialism.
You are not alone. You are part of a society. That's a fact of
life.
So go live away from everybody in Antartica, Renounce your
citizenship in the USA. You are not alone. You are part of a
society. That's a fact of life.
Or better yet, go jump off a cliff. Then you won't have to worry
about all the other people in the world who have the
intellectual capability to accept that no man is an island.
>
>>> And you have also completely skirted the original point,
>>> that taxation is theft; a sure symptom of apologism.
>>>
>> Your original point is wrong, for the same reason that you
>> asking a customer to pay you for goods or services you
>> provide is not theft.
>
> No it isn't the same. I choose whether I wish to frequent the
> store. I choose which goods I would like to own, and I trade
> some token of my fruits of labor for that good. With
> taxation, the government chooses what they I will buy, on my
> behalf, with my money, not me.
You are perfectly free to pack up and move to somewhere with no
government, And if you choose not to frequent the one store in
town, you will do without.
>
>> The fact that you are a spoiled little brat and cannot stop
>> whining long enough to understand that is nobody's fault
>> except yours.
>> .
>> You enjoy the protection of the police and fire departments,
>> benefits of a transportation infrastructure, etc. etc. You
>> cannot just say I don't need no stinkin roads.
>
> What if I don't want their protection? I have no choice, they
> are going to "help" me regardless of how I feel about it.
>
Wether or not you want their protection, the majority want their
protection from you. And each one have as much right to that
protection as you have to not want it. But in a democracy, the
majority rules. Go curl up in a ball and die.
>>> You say you can opt out of the club if you don't want a
>>> piece of the green - I say, "try it, to find out if they
>>> won't use force against you" and your response is "you don't
>>> want to pay"...
>>>
>>> Of COURSE I don't want to pay other people's bills! They
>>> should be responsible for their own damn bills!
>>
>> Taxes are not to pay other people's bills. they're to pay for
>> things that everyboddy uses, like roads, and schools, and
>> hospitals.and fire departments. You may argue that the health
>> of the street sweeper is of no concern to you, but if she
>> spreads tuberculosis to your neighborhood, it damn well is.
>
> May I have your permission to argue that I don't give a rat's
> ass if that lazy hunk of garbage and his spawn starve to
> death? Why should I have to pay for him and the fruit of his
> lazy loins to eat, have shelter, medical coverage, ...?
>
You can argue all you want. You don't need anybody's permission
for that. You don't have enough brains to argue anything
sensical. You just bitch, bitch, bitch. You whine just because
you don't know anything else.
Have a nice day.
--
Bob Quintal
PA is y I've altered my email address.
