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Author: Richard The Dreaded LibertarianRichard The Dreaded Libertarian Date: Jul 7, 2007 13:21
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 06:26:41 -0700, MooseFET wrote:
> There is no such problem with his view. You can own the golf cart
> etc. The "green" in his case is things like the court system which
> there is no way you can own.
Which is precisely the problem.
Without private ownership of property, and of oneself, then there is
only tyranny. Government ownership of everything is communism, which
was the boogeyman that we invested so much blood and treasure fighting
against for all of the cold war. We got communist Russia to back down -
now are you planning on turning the US communist from the inside?
Thanks,
Rich
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Author: Richard The Dreaded LibertarianRichard The Dreaded Libertarian Date: Jul 7, 2007 13:24
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:56:17 -0700, MooseFET wrote:
> War is often just large scale armed robbery. The US has many things
> of value including the land it is on. Others might like to have those
> things. Remember that the native americans didn't control their
> borders and defend against invaders. Look what happened to them.
> They didn't do anything to europe to be retaliated for.
What good is radioactive dirt?
Thanks,
Rich
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Author: MooseFETMooseFET Date: Jul 7, 2007 13:27
On Jul 7, 1:12 pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian example.net>
wrote:> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:10:37 -0400, Chuck Harris wrote:
>> Bob Quintal wrote:
>>> Taxes are not to pay other people's bills. they're to pay for
>>> things that everyboddy uses, like roads, and schools, and
>>> hospitals.and fire departments. You may argue that the health of
>>> the street sweeper is of no concern to you, but if she spreads
>>> tuberculosis to your neighborhood, it damn well is.
>
>> May I have your permission to argue that I don't give a rat's ass
>> if that lazy hunk of garbage and his spawn starve to death? Why
>> should I have to pay for him and the fruit of his lazy loins to
>> eat, have shelter, medical coverage, ...?
>
> If you're talking about the guy who sweeps your streets once a week,
> in that case the neighborhood could get together and ask some street-
> sweepers for bids, and if a majority vote for it, then each person
> can be assessed whatever the consensus is, and pay the damn street
> sweeper. ...
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Author: Richard The Dreaded LibertarianRichard The Dreaded Libertarian Date: Jul 7, 2007 15:14
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:14:03 -0700, MooseFET wrote:
> On Jul 7, 12:54 pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian example.net>>> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:55:47 -0700, MooseFET wrote:
>>> Armed thugs go to the highest bidder. He would not be able to afford
>>> the protection the police and the courts now give him. Look at any
>>> failed state where the police have been replaced by armed gangs to see
>>> what happens.
>>
>> You're doing nothing but projecting your paranoia on me. I have no need
>> of armed thugs, especially your armed thugs who steal my money to pay
>> themselves.
>
> No, I'm pointing out the serious flaw in your thinking that you just
> seem unable to understand. Look at any failed state where the police
> force can no longer control the streets.
Those fail because the rulers believe that to "control the streets" is a
good thing. The streets don't need to be "controlled" in a free society.
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Author: Richard The Dreaded LibertarianRichard The Dreaded Libertarian Date: Jul 7, 2007 15:20
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 12:58:24 -0700, MooseFET wrote:
> On Jul 7, 12:44 pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian example.net>>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:48:48 -0700, MooseFET wrote:
>>> On Jul 5, 3:54 pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian example.net>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:36:05 +0000, Bob Quintal wrote:
>>>>> Richard The Dreaded Libertarian example.net> wrote in>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:53:28 +0000, Jasen Betts wrote:
>>>>>>> noones forcing you to join, however if you want access to the
>>>>>>> green...
>>
>>>>>> Oh, yeah? Try putting "$0.00" for "tax owed" on your IRS form,
>>>>>> and see what "force" actually means...
>>
>>>>> so you want access to the green but you don't want to pay....
>>
>>>>> Spoiled Brat.
>>
>>>> What is this "access to the green" stuff you keep chanting?
>>
>>> Do you want a contract to be valid ...
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Author: joseph2kjoseph2k Date: Jul 7, 2007 16:33
Bob Quintal wrote:
> John Fields austininstruments.com> wrote in
> news:8j6o83dtuargvnuc081e6rl55brjc5nc6p@4ax.com:
> >> On 04 Jul 2007 21:02:38 GMT, Bob Quintal
>> wrote:
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Author: joseph2kjoseph2k Date: Jul 7, 2007 16:49
Bob Quintal wrote:
> Jim Thompson My-Web-Site.com>
> wrote in news:tjvp83d7g4gvrsfas8rcooeok8qgutatm4@4ax.com:
> >> On 05 Jul 2007 00:47:45 GMT, Bob Quintal
>> wrote...
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Author: Michael A. TerrellMichael A. Terrell Date: Jul 7, 2007 17:40
James Arthur wrote:
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> On Jul 6, 7:40 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" earthlink.net>
> wrote:>> James Arthur wrote:
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>>> But this presumes that health is improved by hiring more
>>> middlemen--2nd, 3rd and 4th parties. It isn't. Health is improved by
>>> walking and eating vegetables. It's cheaper than sickness, and more
>>> fun.
>>
>> Wow! If you knew what you're talking about the AMA would have a hit
>> contract out on you.
>
> What I've said is what doctors have been screaming for years. If
> you follow the current literature, it's being re-confirmed time and
> time again, in greater detail than ever.
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Author: Michael A. TerrellMichael A. Terrell Date: Jul 7, 2007 17:46
MooseFET wrote:
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> On Jul 6, 8:40 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" earthlink.net>
> wrote:>> James Arthur wrote:
>>
>>> But this presumes that health is improved by hiring more
>>> middlemen--2nd, 3rd and 4th parties. It isn't. Health is improved by
>>> walking and eating vegetables. It's cheaper than sickness, and more
>>> fun.
>>
>> Wow! If you knew what you're talking about the AMA would have a hit
>> contract out on you. There are a lot of conditions that this simple
>> minded concept won't prevent, or cure.
>
> He doesn't seem to notice that in eating fruit, you are assuming it
> isn't poisonous. Even his own advice needs an FDA.
Let him eat it. Maybe he'll learn the truth before its too late.
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Author: James ArthurJames Arthur Date: Jul 7, 2007 21:39
On Jul 7, 4:40 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" earthlink.net>
wrote:> James Arthur wrote:
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>> On Jul 6, 7:40 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" earthlink.net>
>> wrote:>>> James Arthur wrote:
>
>>>> But this presumes that health is improved by hiring more
>>>> middlemen--2nd, 3rd and 4th parties. It isn't. Health is improved by
>>>> walking and eating vegetables. It's cheaper than sickness, and more
>>>> fun.
>
>>> Wow! If you knew what you're talking about the AMA would have a hit
>>> contract out on you.
>
>> What I've said is what doctors have been screaming for years. If
>> you follow the current literature, it's being re-confirmed time and
>> time again, in greater detail than ever.
> ...
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