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Author: MooseFETMooseFET Date: Jul 7, 2007 07:32
On Jul 6, 9:22 pm, James Arthur yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jul 6, 6:04 pm, MooseFET rahul.net> wrote:
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>>> On Jul 6, 1:54 pm, James Arthur yahoo.com> wrote:>
>>> On Jul 5, 5:23 am, MooseFET rahul.net> wrote:>
>>>> On Jul 4, 5:56 pm, Bob Quintal wrote:
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>>>>> Richard The Dreaded Libertarian example.net> wrote innews:pan.2007.07.03.22.17.33.503120@example.net:>
>>>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:58:44 +0000, Bob Quintal wrote:
>>>>>>> Richard The Dreaded Libertarian example.net> wrote in>>>>>>>> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:42:29 +0000, Bob Quintal wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> Hillary is right.
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>>>>>>>> No, she's in favor of socialist medicine, which is based on ...
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Author: MooseFETMooseFET Date: Jul 7, 2007 07:35
On Jul 6, 8:40 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" earthlink.net>
wrote:> James Arthur wrote:
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>> But this presumes that health is improved by hiring more
>> middlemen--2nd, 3rd and 4th parties. It isn't. Health is improved by
>> walking and eating vegetables. It's cheaper than sickness, and more
>> fun.
>
> Wow! If you knew what you're talking about the AMA would have a hit
> contract out on you. There are a lot of conditions that this simple
> minded concept won't prevent, or cure.
He doesn't seem to notice that in eating fruit, you are assuming it
isn't poisonous. Even his own advice needs an FDA.
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Author: Richard The Dreaded LibertarianRichard The Dreaded Libertarian Date: Jul 7, 2007 12:44
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:48:48 -0700, MooseFET wrote:
> On Jul 5, 3:54 pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian example.net>>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:36:05 +0000, Bob Quintal wrote:
>>> Richard The Dreaded Libertarian example.net> wrote in>>>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:53:28 +0000, Jasen Betts wrote:
>>>>> noones forcing you to join, however if you want access to the
>>>>> green...
>>
>>>> Oh, yeah? Try putting "$0.00" for "tax owed" on your IRS form,
>>>> and see what "force" actually means...
>>
>>> so you want access to the green but you don't want to pay....
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>>> Spoiled Brat.
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>> What is this "access to the green" stuff you keep chanting?
>
> Do you want a contract to be valid
Yes.
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Author: Richard The Dreaded LibertarianRichard The Dreaded Libertarian Date: Jul 7, 2007 12:54
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:55:47 -0700, MooseFET wrote:
> Armed thugs go to the highest bidder. He would not be able to afford
> the protection the police and the courts now give him. Look at any
> failed state where the police have been replaced by armed gangs to see
> what happens.
You're doing nothing but projecting your paranoia on me. I have no need
of armed thugs, especially your armed thugs who steal my money to pay
themselves.
Oh, well, while you supplicate yourself before your gods and worship the
ground the government slithers across, just remember that the scum floats
to the top.
Thanks,
Rich
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Author: MooseFETMooseFET Date: Jul 7, 2007 12:58
On Jul 7, 12:44 pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian example.net>
wrote:> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:48:48 -0700, MooseFET wrote:
>> On Jul 5, 3:54 pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian example.net>>>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:36:05 +0000, Bob Quintal wrote:
>>>> Richard The Dreaded Libertarian example.net> wrote in>>>>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:53:28 +0000, Jasen Betts wrote:
>>>>>> noones forcing you to join, however if you want access to the
>>>>>> green...
>
>>>>> Oh, yeah? Try putting "$0.00" for "tax owed" on your IRS form,
>>>>> and see what "force" actually means...
>
>>>> so you want access to the green but you don't want to pay....
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>>>> Spoiled Brat.
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>>> What is this "access to the green" stuff you keep chanting?
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>> Do you want a contract to be valid ...
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Author: Richard The Dreaded LibertarianRichard The Dreaded Libertarian Date: Jul 7, 2007 12:58
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 03:29:34 +0000, Bob Quintal wrote:
> Richard The Dreaded Libertarian example.net> wrote in>>
>> What is this "access to the green" stuff you keep chanting? I
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> I stated that taxation is not theft. It's like a membership fee
> to a golf club. If you want to putt on the green you gotta pay
> the fee. If you don't want to putt on the greens, or drink in
> the clubhousew, get off the golf course...
Yes, precisely. But I'm not allowed to do that - if I choose not to
pay those fees I never use, they will come and take my money by force.
This is theft, plain and simple.
If you can't see that, then you need medical attention.
Thanks,
Rich
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Author: Richard The Dreaded LibertarianRichard The Dreaded Libertarian Date: Jul 7, 2007 13:12
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:10:37 -0400, Chuck Harris wrote:
> Bob Quintal wrote:
>> Taxes are not to pay other people's bills. they're to pay for
>> things that everyboddy uses, like roads, and schools, and
>> hospitals.and fire departments. You may argue that the health of
>> the street sweeper is of no concern to you, but if she spreads
>> tuberculosis to your neighborhood, it damn well is.
>
> May I have your permission to argue that I don't give a rat's ass
> if that lazy hunk of garbage and his spawn starve to death? Why
> should I have to pay for him and the fruit of his lazy loins to
> eat, have shelter, medical coverage, ...?
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Author: MooseFETMooseFET Date: Jul 7, 2007 13:14
On Jul 7, 12:54 pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian example.net>
wrote:> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:55:47 -0700, MooseFET wrote:
>> Armed thugs go to the highest bidder. He would not be able to afford
>> the protection the police and the courts now give him. Look at any
>> failed state where the police have been replaced by armed gangs to see
>> what happens.
>
> You're doing nothing but projecting your paranoia on me. I have no need
> of armed thugs, especially your armed thugs who steal my money to pay
> themselves.
No, I'm pointing out the serious flaw in your thinking that you just
seem unable to understand. Look at any failed state where the police
force can no longer control the streets. There the experiment has
been done, the results are in and your idea is proven wrong.
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Author: Richard The Dreaded LibertarianRichard The Dreaded Libertarian Date: Jul 7, 2007 13:14
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:47:27 -0500, me wrote:
> Chuck Harris erols.com> wrote in news:G->>Bob Quintal wrote:
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>>> You can argue all you want. You don't need anybody's permission
>>> for that. You don't have enough brains to argue anything
>>> sensical. You just bitch, bitch, bitch. You whine just because
>>> you don't know anything else.
>>
>>If you are an example of what having enough brains is like, then
>>I am quite happy to not have enough brains.
>
> Ignorance is bliss...
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Author: MooseFETMooseFET Date: Jul 7, 2007 13:16
On Jul 7, 12:58 pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian example.net>
wrote:> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 03:29:34 +0000, Bob Quintal wrote:
>> Richard The Dreaded Libertarian example.net> wrote in>
>>> What is this "access to the green" stuff you keep chanting? I
>
>> I stated that taxation is not theft. It's like a membership fee
>> to a golf club. If you want to putt on the green you gotta pay
>> the fee. If you don't want to putt on the greens, or drink in
>> the clubhousew, get off the golf course...
>
> Yes, precisely. But I'm not allowed to do that - if I choose not to
> pay those fees I never use, they will come and take my money by force.
You can choose not to do those things that take advanges of the
services of the government and thuse not have any fees to pay.
Everything that causes you to owe a tax involves a free choice you
have made and the use of a service of the government.
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