On Mar 29, 2:33Â pm, "John Galt"
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>>> On Mar 29, 12:26 pm, Jerry Kraus
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>>>>> On Mar 29, 4:04 am, Roy Batty
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>>>>>>> you are correct.
>>>>>>> here is a little peice i made up explaining
>>>>>>> conservative/libertarian
>>>>>>> lunacy.
>>>>>>> "libertarians/conservatives are the only group of people i know
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> are constantly outraged at the results of their own polices, then
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> blame government(the blaming government part was added by another
>>>>>>> fellow, of course he is very smart.)."
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>>>>>> Libertarians tend to think that they are "free thinkers"
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>>>>> but everyone of them speaks of living libertarian ideals. i ask them
>>>>> if they live by someone else's rules, then they are not free. i ask
>>>>> them who enforces their rules in a free market. they say the market.
>>>>> then i say who enforces the rules if someone breaks them. they say
>>>>> government. so much for their so-called ideals.
>>>>> what they want is liberty to lie, steal, cheat, and exploit.
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>>>>>> "Then, when you're driving on the Illinois toll way and you've
>>>>>> picked
>>>>>> up a
>>>>>> Libertarian Hitchhiker he suddenly hits you up for more coin!"
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>>>>>> - Dee Dee Ramone
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>>>>>> (Notorious rock and roll writer, drug addict and muse for a great
>>>>>> band, born
>>>>>> in Vancouver Canada)
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>>>>> pretty right on there.
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>>>> Libertarians are consummate hypocrites. The typical libertarian is
>>>> retired on a substantial pension, with good health insurance. He
>>>> doesn't need the government for education, employment, health care.
>>>> All he needs government for is protecting his money. So, he feels
>>>> that taxes should only go to the military and the police. Makes
>>>> sense, from his point of view! He doesn't give a damn about the
>>>> future, because he's old, so he sees no point in investing in new
>>>> technologies, or in children, or in much of anything. He just wants
>>>> the "liberty" to use his money -- which was almost certainly obtained,
>>>> directly and indirectly, with government assistance -- any way he
>>>> wants, and doesn't want to share it with anybody. They have no real
>>>> opinion other than "what's mine is mine" -- although they got plenty
>>>> of help getting it!
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>>> and on top of your fine definition, i have yet to get one of them to
>>> move to somalia, where they can walk the talk, that is if they can
>>> survive past the average life span of 47 or so.
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>> I was thinking Costa Rica. Lower taxes, good literacy rates....wish my
>> wife
>> would let me.
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>> BTW, Libertarians don't have a high need to tell others how to spend their
>> money. In fact, we believe you should keep more of it and spend it how you
>> wish. Nothing to stop you from starting a collective, put your money in it
>> to provide the services you want. In fact, encouraged.
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>> It isn't like socialism, don't mix the two. Socialism is an excuse by the
>> immoral to put their hands in your pocket to take out for other things
>> like
>> vote buying, sitting on your ass and let someone else pay for it types.
>> Libertarians tend to be go-getters and not whining slugs at the trough.
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>> The original author of this has no understanding and knows little of the
>> differences between a liberal and libertarian. Absolutely no clue. Just
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> Hate to tell you this, moron, but I'm not getting any free lunch.
> From anyone. Â Actually, I have very little to lose. Â Which is why my
> position is much stronger than yours, at the moment. Â Your system is
> collapsing around your ears. Â Har-dee-Har-dee-Har!!!
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> Now, I don't know exactly how you "made" your money. Â I'm sure you
> think you deserve it. Â You may. Â You may not.
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> But, however you got it, it had something to do with conditions
> favorable to you making money. Â It wasn't just your God-given gifts
> and hard work, I'm afraid, however much you might want to think it
> was. Â You may have come from a prosperous family that helped you out.
> You may have had government assistance in the form of free health care
> or schooling. Â You may have had prosperous, successful friends who
> helped you out. Â But, you got help.
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> You don't want to share it, because you are selfish, and short-
> sighted. Â Or, you may simply be an ideological fool who really doesn't
> have much at all, and would probably benefit from government
> intervention, but doesn't care.
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> In any case, Greed -- and that is all libertarianism is, Greed as a
> God -- doesn't work out too well as a long-term way of running
> things. Â Freedom is always relative. Â We live in a material world.
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> If your point is simply that current American government systems are
> highly corrupt, I would agree with you. Â They need to function more
> along European lines. Â And, they will. Â Your system is collapsing
> around your ears.
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> Impressive amount of generalization there.
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> I'm not an ideologic libertarian by any means, so I have no reason to defend
> "them", but suffice to say that the notion that self-reliance and
> independence is driven by greed is, well, pure madness.
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> I suspect you're using a novel definition of the word.
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Uh...have you ever read the "Wealth of Nations", Adam Smith? Greed is
the basis of Capitalism. Self-reliance and independance are unrelated
concepts. They have nothing to do, in themselves, with making money.
If you want to make a lot of money
-- the more money, the better --
you are a Capitalist, and you are Greedy. You can be self-reliant and
independant and have very little money, and very little interest in
making a lot of money. I would probably be in that category.
