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Re: Religion and the death spiral of the moth         


Author: RAGLANDMYCOOL
Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:28

whitesickle@msn.com wrote:
> dkomo wrote:
>> whitesickle@msn.com wrote:
>>
>>> dkomo wrote:
>>>
>>>>It's often said that belief in supernatural agents such as those found
>>>>in the religions of the world is not a direct adaptation but a
>>>>*side-effect* of the way our minds work.
>>>>
>>>>But what exactly is a side-effect of evolution? Richard Dawkins in his
>>>>new book _The God Delusion_ offers a good example of such a side-effect:
>>>>the tendency of moths to fly in crazy patterns near a bright light
>>>>source at night, such as candle flames, campfires and electric lights.
>>>>The moth will often fly into the flame and immolate itself.
>>>>
>>>>I had a instance of this earlier this year. I was sitting at the
>>>>computer at night in my office last spring when a moth happened to fly
>>>>in and began immediately to repeatedly bounce off the ceiling and
>>>>overhead light fixture. This is extremely annoying when you're trying ...
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Re: Religion and the death spiral of the moth         


Author: philip.saunders
Date: Nov 17, 2006 22:08

dkomo wrote:
> It's often said that belief in supernatural agents such as those found
> in the religions of the world is not a direct adaptation but a
> *side-effect* of the way our minds work.

It is often said that nothing is impossible, :-)
> But what exactly is a side-effect of evolution? Richard Dawkins in his
> new book _The God Delusion_ offers a good example of such a side-effect:
> the tendency of moths to fly in crazy patterns near a bright light
> source at night, such as candle flames, campfires and electric lights.
> The moth will often fly into the flame and immolate itself.

Have you missed a bit out? How does "side effect of the way our minds
work" = "side effect of evolution".

snip
> So what causes this idiotic moth behavior?

It surely isnt idiotic or intelligent?
> It isn't an evolutionary
> adaptation as it obviously doesn't improve the moth's fitness. Dawkins
> explains it in the section "Religion as a By-Product of Something Else"
> in Chapter 5 "The Roots...
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Religion and the death spiral of the moth         


Author: dkomo
Date: Nov 6, 2006 10:42

It's often said that belief in supernatural agents such as those found
in the religions of the world is not a direct adaptation but a
*side-effect* of the way our minds work.

But what exactly is a side-effect of evolution? Richard Dawkins in his
new book _The God Delusion_ offers a good example of such a side-effect:
the tendency of moths to fly in crazy patterns near a bright light
source at night, such as candle flames, campfires and electric lights.
The moth will often fly into the flame and immolate itself.

I had a instance of this earlier this year. I was sitting at the
computer at night in my office last spring when a moth happened to fly
in and began immediately to repeatedly bounce off the ceiling and
overhead light fixture. This is extremely annoying when you're trying
to get some work done, so I started looking around for The Terminator,
my rolled up newspaper which I use to dispatch moths. But before I
could reach for it, I saw the moth fly straight into the very hot light
bulb overhead during one of its swoops and was killed instantly. I
could see it lying upside down inside the translucent light fixture.
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Re: Religion and the death spiral of the moth         


Author: whitesickle
Date: Nov 7, 2006 22:25

dkomo wrote:
> It's often said that belief in supernatural agents such as those found
> in the religions of the world is not a direct adaptation but a
> *side-effect* of the way our minds work.
>
> But what exactly is a side-effect of evolution? Richard Dawkins in his
> new book _The God Delusion_ offers a good example of such a side-effect:
> the tendency of moths to fly in crazy patterns near a bright light
> source at night, such as candle flames, campfires and electric lights.
> The moth will often fly into the flame and immolate itself.
>
> I had a instance of this earlier this year. I was sitting at the
> computer at night in my office last spring when a moth happened to fly
> in and began immediately to repeatedly bounce off the ceiling and
> overhead light fixture. This is extremely annoying when you're trying
> to get some work done, so I started looking around for The Terminator,
> my rolled up newspaper which I use to dispatch moths. But before I
> could reach for it, I saw the moth fly straight into the very hot light
> bulb overhead during one of its swoops and was killed instantly. I
> could see it lying upside down inside the translucent light fixture. ...
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Re: Religion and the death spiral of the moth         


Author: Entertained by my own EIMC
Date: Nov 9, 2006 13:30

"dkomo" comcast.net> wrote in message
news:einvm3$2m3f$1@darwin.ediacara.org...
> It's often said that belief in supernatural agents such as those found
> in the religions of the world is not a direct adaptation but a
> *side-effect* of the way our minds work.
>
> But what exactly is a side-effect of evolution? Richard Dawkins in his
> new book _The God Delusion_ offers a good example of such a side-effect:
> the tendency of moths to fly in crazy patterns near a bright light
> source at night, such as candle flames, campfires and electric lights.
> The moth will often fly into the flame and immolate itself.
>
> I had a instance of this earlier this year. I was sitting at the
> computer at night in my office last spring when a moth happened to fly
> in and began immediately to repeatedly bounce off the ceiling and
> overhead light fixture. This is extremely annoying when you're trying
> to get some work done, so I started looking around for The Terminator,
> my rolled up newspaper which I use to dispatch moths. But before I
> could reach for it, I saw the moth fly straight into the very hot light
> bulb overhead during one of its swoops and was killed instantly. I ...
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Re: Religion and the death spiral of the moth         


Author: dkomo
Date: Nov 10, 2006 09:27

whitesickle@msn.com wrote:
> dkomo wrote:
>
>>It's often said that belief in supernatural agents such as those found
>>in the religions of the world is not a direct adaptation but a
>>*side-effect* of the way our minds work.
>...
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Re: Religion and the death spiral of the moth         


Author: dkomo
Date: Nov 10, 2006 09:27

Entertained by my own EIMC wrote:
> "dkomo" comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:einvm3$2m3f$1@darwin.ediacara.org...
>
>>It's often said that belief in supernatural agents such as those found
>>in the religions of the world...
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Re: Religion and the death spiral of the moth         


Author: Entertained by my own EIMC
Date: Nov 10, 2006 23:08

"dkomo" comcast.net> wrote in message
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> whitesickle@msn.com wrote:
> By the way, using the term "unintended consequence" is just casual
> language and is not intended to imply that evolution can have
> intentions, lol. I say this to ward off any wagging fingers that may be
> attracted this way, to admonish or to instruct the ignorant.

Never mind the movements of my fingers - the righteous whole of me was
starting to writhe.
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Re: Religion and the death spiral of the moth         


Author: whitesickle
Date: Nov 11, 2006 10:27

dkomo wrote:
> whitesickle@msn.com wrote:
>
>> dkomo wrote:
>>
>>>It's often said that belief in supernatural agents such as those found
>>>in the religions of the world is not a direct adaptation but a
>>>*side-effect* of the way our minds work.
>>>
>>>But what exactly is a side-effect of evolution? Richard Dawkins in his
>>>new book _The God Delusion_ offers a good example of such a side-effect:
>>>the tendency of moths to fly in crazy patterns near a bright light
>>>source at night, such as candle flames, campfires and electric lights.
>>>The moth will often fly into the flame and immolate itself.
>>>
>>>I had a instance of this earlier this year. I was sitting at the
>>>computer at night in my office last spring when a moth happened to fly
>>>in and began immediately to repeatedly bounce off the ceiling and
>>>overhead light fixture. This is extremely annoying when you're trying
>>>to get some work done, so I started looking around for The Terminator, ...
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