On Jun 21, 7:53 am, "Robert Karl Stonjek" bigpond.net.au>
wrote:
> Originally published in Science Express on 22 May 2008
> Science 20 June 2008:
> Vol. 320. no. 5883, pp. 1647 - 1651
> DOI: 10.1126/science.1155725
>
> Evolution of Mammals and Their Gut Microbes
> Ruth E. Ley, Micah Hamady, Catherine Lozupone, Peter J. Turnbaugh, Rob Roy
> Ramey, J. Stephen Bircher, Michael L. Schlegel, Tammy A. Tucker, Mark D.
> Schrenzel, Rob Knight, Jeffrey I. Gordon
> Mammals are metagenomic in that they are composed of not only their own gene
> complements but also those of all of their associated microbes. To
> understand the coevolution of the mammals and their indigenous microbial
> communities, we conducted a network-based analysis of bacterial 16S
> ribosomal RNA gene sequences from the fecal microbiota of humans and 59
> other mammalian species living in two zoos and in the wild. The results
> indicate that host diet and phylogeny both influence bacterial diversity,
> which increases from carnivory to omnivory to herbivory; that bacterial
> communities codiversified with their hosts; and that the gut microbiota of
> humans living a modern life-style is typical of omnivorous primates.
>
> Source: Science
> 1155725
> Posted by
> Robert Karl Stonjek
[moderator's note: Fascinatin' stuff follows; how much is relevant,
and how much is non-bollocks, I leave to the readership. - JAH]
Reminds me of research I did into camels , that showed big differences
in two adjacent paddocks that showed big changes when one paddock had
poly pipes and water troughs installed several years ago
The older iron pipes and troughs showed big differences in growth
rates , with mildly radio active water from nearby mound springs being
used for both paddocks , it became clear that the intestinal microbes
were actually feeding of the increased algae growth seen in the steel
troughs to supplement the camels diets
Camels drinking direct from mound springs and camels drinking from
poly troughs were identical , all camels were related from the same
mob , and identical grazing and food , and groups of camels moved
between these three mobs soon matched the results of the new group
after 12 months yet even to an untrained eye the "steel trough
camels" looked much more robust than the other two mobs
Research ongoing , into algae , iron , saline water, camels
kangarooistan
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Q where is the largest sheet of limestone [calciumum carbonate ] and
what built it
Nullarbor Plain
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Nullarbor Plain is part of the area of flat, almost treeless, arid
or semi-arid country immediately north of the Great Australian Bight.
The word Nullarbor is derived from the Latin nullus for 'nothing' or
'no one' and arbor for 'tree', and is pronounced "NULL-uh-
bore" (IPA: /
ˈnʌləbɔr/). It is the world's largest single piece of limestone, and
occupies an area of about 200,000 km² (77,200 sq miles)[1].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullarbor_Plain
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> Its so simple you will laugh , I forgive you as it does sound silly .
> But some s will eventually test it , it cost nothing to at least test
> it , and you too will very quickly see that it does indeed work ,
> . Step one , Take a used jam tin , steel food grade like you most
> likely have in your kitchen bin. place it into the sea near where you
> live below the water in a safe quiet spot , where you can watch it
> for a few days to see if it will stay where you put it .
> Step two , take an old wire coat hanger from the wardrobe and
> straighten it out , save up your old tin food grade tin [ steel ] cans
> and punch a hole in either end and thread them onto the meter long
> wire coat hanger, and make what I shall call a tin can " necklace "
> like they make flower or shell necklaces in some countries.
> Step 3 . place this " necklace : into the sea near where you live ,
> in water where you left your test tin can in a safe quiet spot , they
> will soon grow a covering of green algae / sea weed . Step three ,
> Make ten more " necklaces " exactly like the first one and test them
> to see they weigh exactly one kg each and tie ten " necklaces together
> to make what I call a bundle , with a total weight of ten KG ,
> .Step four , Place this ten Kg bundle of tin food grade cans into the
> sea where you have tested out they will stay where you put them ,
> . Step five remove one necklace from the " bundle " from time to time
> to examine the results without disturbing the " bundle too much , and
> can weigh a necklace to check results if you wish to be exact .
> Step Six , do some checking and you will notice the tin cans vanish
> after a few months . max 2 years , and a ball of Algae and lots of
> baby fish have grown inside and around your "bundle " . If you examine
> what has happened , you will note that 1Fe atom and 360,000 carbon
> atoms and 580,000 nitrogen atoms and 3,600 potassium atoms will have
> turned your ten KG bundle of used waste steel [ tin ] cans into a
> 360,000kg x 10kg =3,600,000 kg ,carbon "sink " as the algae feeds
> millions of happy little fish [ zooplankton ] that hid inside your "
> can " bundle " from big hungry fish and ate the hundreds of tons of
> micro Algae[ phytoplankton] that grew from your slow release iron
> fertilization tablet { ten kg bundle of cans }.
> Once you stop laughing, and start testing , you too will soon see
> that if 6 billion people all added one kg of tin can "necklaces", to
> the sea , it would cure global warming and feed the world on sea food
> ten times over for free ,in a few months , OK I said I will forgive
> you for Laughing , But I do expect you to at least test out with one
> tin can , It does work , and nothing else comes close . 16.000
> children are dying every day , their blood is now on your hands if you
> fail to at least try it out , is 16,000 children die very day from
> hunger and you have at least one tin can , use it , there is nothing
> to lose , if you test as above it will be safe and iron tin cans are
> non toxic , you eat your food out of them
> .Once you are sure it works its possible to make bigger wire cages to
> hold 100 kg or 10000 kg of cans , "Tincanistan" fish nursery /
> hotels , please repost this to all your friends ASAP . contact me if
> you want algae as Ive found some are much better than others , but
> your local algae must be tested first as its often best...
> many thanks kangarooistan
When the experts finally discover that algae from the mound springs in
South australia can store more carbon dioxide than any other method
known for free , they will eventually be forced to admit that
kangarooistan had indeed cured global warming and solved the worlds
food shortage all for free
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_Gulf
experts are so dumb it will take them another 10 years to work out
what any ordinary person could discover in 10 minutes flat
One day they will discover it is exactly like the Woolemi Pine tree
they discovered left over from the dinosaur times in an " isolate "
time capsule
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wollemia
http://www.sea-us.org.au/roxstop97/msinfo1.htm
The mound springs contain ancient Algae that will cure global warming
and feed the world more sea food than they could ever eat 10 times
over for free , algae plus iron tin cans will cure global warming ,
but experts are so dumb they need time for it to sink in , be patient
mate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wollemia
http://www.sea-us.org.au/roxstop97/msinfo1.htm
When the algae from the mound springs enters salt water in Spencer
Gulf , with iron in
it from Whyalla , it is like a explosion of life , the algae grows so
fast it keeps
the largest fishing fleet in Australia busy catching all the fish and
prawns that eat algae
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whyalla,_South_Australia
When the fish die they leave behind Calcium carbonate , { limestone ]
Where do you think the largest single slab of limestone should be
found if kangarooistan is right
Nullarbor Plain
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Nullarbor Plain is part of the area of flat, almost treeless, arid
or semi-arid country immediately north of the Great Australian Bight.
The word Nullarbor is derived from the Latin nullus for 'nothing' or
'no one' and arbor for 'tree', and is pronounced "NULL-uh-
bore" (IPA: /
ˈnʌləbɔr/).
It is the world's largest single piece of limestone, and occupies an
area of about 200,000 km² (77,200 sq miles)[1]. At its widest point,
it stretches about 1,200 km from east to west between South Australia
(SA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullarbor_Plain
If the experts actually looked they would soon discover what nature
does with excess unwanted carbon in the air , nature has been doing it
for thousands of years and is happy to keep doing it for free , just
give nature the iron and the algae and watch , the evidence is over
whelming , thats why experts refuse to look , they only want very
expensive cures that will employ them all for life , once the public
discover the truth and simply add their used food tin cans to the
sea , all the experts will lose their jobs over night
see pics of limestone cliffs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Australian_Bight
Anybody with eyes can see how nature has used Arabunna Algae and iron
in salt water to build the largest carbon sink on earth , over 3
billion years for free and all based on fish bones from eating
arabunna algae flowing out of Spencer Gulf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_Gulf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algae
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization
Test any area of the ocean you like
There is a direct link between iron algae sea water and carbon sink
It can be tested anywhere , test how much iron in the water and the
exact proportion of algae and fish and carbon > limestone always
follow
Add tin / steel waste food cans to your sea water and watch what
happens
It really is that simple , algae don't care what iron they eat , sea
food will eat the algae , you can eat the fish
one kg of iron cans will lock away 83 tons of carbon as limestone
kangarooistan
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