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Culture is not consciously developed? Q for Wilkins         


Author: whitesickle
Date: Oct 29, 2006 22:08

Robert L. Carneiro's take on the evolution of culture
Submitted by Kambiz Kamrani on September 16, 2006 - 11:47am.

Some of you guys maybe interested in John Wilkins', of Evolving
Thoughts, review of Robert L. Carneiro's book "Evolutionism in Cultural
Anthropology: A Critical History." I have not read to book, but what I
can gather from Wilkins' post, it is a book that follows a distored and
uninformed take on the evolution of culture. His main point is outlined
in this quote,

"There is this assumption, not evidence, that at the cultural level, at
which he insists one has to approach the evolution of culture, that
culture is consciously developed."

Wilkins goes on explaining concepts in evolutionary theory, such as
mutations are not random and correlating them with invention,

"The same is true of invention. By far the bulk of inventions die
stillborn. The ones that get transmitted to future generations are
those that happen to actually serve a need or a want in the general...
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Re: Culture is not consciously developed? Q for Wilkins         


Author: John Wilkins
Date: Oct 30, 2006 10:36

whitesickle@msn.com msn.com> wrote:
> Robert L. Carneiro's take on the evolution of culture
> Submitted by Kambiz Kamrani on September 16, 2006 - 11:47am.
>
> Some of you guys maybe interested in John Wilkins', of Evolving
> Thoughts, review of Robert L. Carneiro's book "Evolutionism in Cultural
> Anthropology: A Critical History." I have not read to book, but what I
> can gather from Wilkins' post, it is a book that follows a distored and
> uninformed take on the evolution of culture. His main point is outlined
> in this quote,

Carneiro is an old-style "cultural evolutionist" in the school of Leslie
White. He rejects the "Darwinian" view of cultural evolution, as
cultural is (to him, self-evidently) directed in its evolution...
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Re: Culture is not consciously developed? Q for Wilkins         


Author: whitesickle
Date: Oct 31, 2006 17:27

John Wilkins wrote:
> whitesickle@msn.com msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Robert L. Carneiro's take on the evolution of culture
>> Submitted by Kambiz Kamrani on September 16, 2006 - 11:47am.
>>
>> Some of you guys maybe interested in John Wilkins', of Evolving
>> Thoughts, review of Robert L. Carneiro's book "Evolutionism in Cultural
>> Anthropology: A Critical History." I have not read to book, but what I
>> can gather from Wilkins' post, it is a book that follows a distored and
>> uninformed take on the evolution of culture. His main point is outlined
>> in this quote,
>
> Carneiro is an old-style "cultural evolutionist" in the school of Leslie
> White. He rejects the "Darwinian" view of cultural evolution, as
> cultural is (to him, self-evidently) directed in its evolution.
>>
>>
>> "There is this assumption, not evidence, that at the cultural level, at
>> which he insists one has to approach the evolution of culture, that ...
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Re: Culture is not consciously developed? Q for Wilkins         


Author: Entertained by my own EIMC
Date: Oct 31, 2006 17:27

"John Wilkins" uq.edu.au> wrote in message
news:ei5gn9$2d4e$1@darwin.ediacara.org...
> whitesickle@msn.com msn.com> wrote:
> Also, culture will be no less subject to stochastic sampling (drift)
> than biology. Not everything is or has to be selection.

Dear Dr. Wilkins,

I might have the wrong impression, but to me it appears that you include in
what you mean by "selection" that it is a process that produces traits that
are *ideally* fit; And, that you - from your broadly applicable
'evolution philosophical/theoretical' ;-) position - might exemplify the
influence of drift with, e.g., that Sony's video tape format Beta (that was
by most experts seen as the superior technology) did loose out in the
marketplace to the relatively clumsy (at least it was more bulky) VHS
format.
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Author: John Wilkins
Date: Nov 2, 2006 14:02

whitesickle@msn.com msn.com> wrote:
> John Wilkins wrote:
>> whitesickle@msn.com msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Robert L. Carneiro's take on the evolution of culture
>>> Submitted by Kambiz Kamrani on September 16, 2006 - 11:47am...
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Re: Culture is not consciously developed? Q for Wilkins         


Author: John Wilkins
Date: Nov 2, 2006 14:02

Entertained by my own EIMC fairyland.org>
wrote:
> "John Wilkins" uq.edu.au> wrote in message
> news:ei5gn9$2d4e$1@darwin.ediacara.org...
>> whitesickle@msn.com msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Also, culture will be no less subject to...
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Re: Culture is not consciously developed? Q for Wilkins         


Author: Guy A Hoelzer
Date: Nov 3, 2006 20:32

in article eidptk$1vt9$1@darwin.ediacara.org, John Wilkins at
j.wilkins1@uq.edu.au wrote on 11/2/06 2:02 PM:
> Entertained by my own EIMC fairyland.org>
> wrote:
>
>> "John Wilkins" uq.edu.au> wrote in message
>> news:ei5gn9$2d4e$1@darwin.ediacara.org...
>>> whitesickle@msn...
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Re: Culture is not consciously developed? Q for Wilkins         


Author: Perplexed in Peoria
Date: Nov 4, 2006 14:39

"Guy A Hoelzer" unr.edu> wrote in message news:eih559$16vb$1@darwin.ediacara.org...
> in article eidptk$1vt9$1@darwin.ediacara.org, John Wilkins at
> j.wilkins1@uq.edu.au wrote on 11/2/06 2:02 PM:
>> Selection and drift aren't separate from each other - they are
>> complements. If only selection occurs on a big enough population over
>> enough time, then it will satisfice the fitness function...
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Re: Culture is not consciously developed? Q for Wilkins         


Author: whitesickle
Date: Nov 4, 2006 14:39

Guy A Hoelzer wrote:
> in article eidptk$1vt9$1@darwin.ediacara.org, John Wilkins at
> j.wilkins1@uq.edu.au wrote on 11/2/06 2:02 PM:
>
>> Entertained by my own EIMC fairyland.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "John Wilkins" uq.edu.au> wrote in message
>>> news:ei5gn9$2d4e$1@darwin.ediacara.org...
>>>> whitesickle@msn.com msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also, culture will be no less subject to stochastic sampling (drift)
>>>> than biology. Not everything is or has to be selection.
>>>
>>> Dear Dr. Wilkins,
>>>
>>> I might have the wrong impression, but to me it appears that you include in
>>> what you mean by "selection" that it is a process that produces traits that
>>> are *ideally* fit; And, that you - from your broadly applicable
>>> 'evolution philosophical/theoretical' ;-) position - might exemplify the ...
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Re: Culture is not consciously developed? Q for Wilkins         


Author: Entertained by my own EIMC
Date: Nov 4, 2006 14:39

"John Wilkins" uq.edu.au> wrote in message
news:eidptk$1vt9$1@darwin.ediacara.org...
> Entertained by my own EIMC fairyland.org>
> wrote:
>
>> "John Wilkins" uq.edu.au> wrote in message
>> news:ei5gn9$2d4e$1@darwin.ediacara.org...
>>> whitesickle@msn.com msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, culture will be no less subject to stochastic sampling (drift)
>>> than biology. Not everything is or has to be selection.
>>
>> Dear Dr. Wilkins,
>>
>> I might have the wrong impression, but to me it appears that you include
>> in
>> what you mean by "selection" that it is a process that produces traits
>> that
>> are *ideally* fit; And, that you - from your broadly applicable
>> 'evolution philosophical/theoretical' ;-) position - might exemplify the ...
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