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Artificial life likely in 3 to 10 years         


Author: Fred Goodwin, CMA
Date: Aug 21, 2007 10:31

Artificial life likely in 3 to 10 years

<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070820/ap_on_sc/artificial_life>

By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer
Mon Aug 20, 1:49 AM ET

WASHINGTON - Around the world, a handful of scientists are trying to
create life from scratch and they're getting closer.

Experts expect an announcement within three to 10 years from someone
in the now little-known field of "wet artificial life."

"It's going to be a big deal and everybody's going to know about it,"
said Mark Bedau, chief operating officer of ProtoLife of Venice,
Italy, one of those in the race. "We're talking about a technology
that could change our world in pretty fundamental ways - in fact, in
ways that are impossible to predict."

That first cell of synthetic life - made from the basic chemicals in
DNA - may not seem like much to non-scientists. For one thing, you'll
have to look in a microscope to see it.

"Creating protocells has the potential to shed new light on our place
in the universe," Bedau said. "This will remove one of the few
fundamental mysteries about creation in the universe and our role."
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Re: Artificial life likely in 3 to 10 years         


Author: Tim Tyler
Date: Aug 22, 2007 13:40

Fred Goodwin, CMA wrote or quoted:
> Artificial life likely in 3 to 10 years
>
> <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070820/ap_on_sc/artificial_life>
>
> By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer
> Mon Aug 20, 1:49 AM ET
>
> WASHINGTON - Around the world, a handful of scientists are trying to
> create life from scratch and they're getting closer.
>
> Experts expect an announcement within three to 10 years from someone
> in the now little-known field of "wet artificial life."
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Re: Artificial life likely in 3 to 10 years         


Author: Alan Meyer
Date: Aug 22, 2007 22:45

"Fred Goodwin, CMA" yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:faf7hj$2i1f$1@darwin.ediacara.org...
> ...
> Experts expect an announcement within three to 10 years from someone
> in the now little-known field of "wet artificial life."
> ...

I have no doubt that there will be announcements. My only
doubt is as to whether there will be artificial life - a very different
thing from an announcement.

I will consider it progress if we learn to make a few more self-organizing
molecules, and more progress still if we can get them to associate
with each other. The problems here are very hard and, while
the existence of life proves beyond doubt that it can be done, we
still don't know nearly as much as we need to know.
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Re: Artificial life likely in 3 to 10 years         


Author: Tim Tyler
Date: Aug 23, 2007 10:54

Alan Meyer wrote:
> "Fred Goodwin, CMA" yahoo.com> wrote in message:
>> "When these things are created, they're going to be so weak, it'll be
>> a huge achievement if you can keep them alive for an hour in the lab,"
>> he said. "But them getting out and taking over, never in our
>> imagination could this happen."
>
> It seems that the scientists can't predict what will happen, but
> we don't have to worry, because never in their imagination
> could anything deleterious happen.
>
> It's a very fortuitous combination of lack of prediction and
> lack of imagination.

The artificial lifeform most likely to become dominant is
probably going to be a descendant of today's companies.

Companies today have a legal identity. They can own
property, and sign documents. They have their own
rights and liabilities in legal proceedings.
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Re: Artificial life likely in 3 to 10 years         


Author: Alan Meyer
Date: Aug 25, 2007 10:10

"Tim Tyler" cyberspace.org> wrote in message
news:fakhk4$21un$1@darwin.ediacara.org...
.....
> It is silly to imagine artificial lifeforms
> will not take over:
>
> http://alife.co.uk/essays/engineered_future/
.....

An interesting article. I think your conclusions are right.

I'll check out the other one too.

Alan
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Re: Artificial life likely in 3 to 10 years         


Author: Tim Tyler
Date: Aug 26, 2007 22:41

Alan Meyer wrote:
> "Tim Tyler" cyberspace.org> wrote in message
>> It is silly to imagine artificial lifeforms
>> will not take over:
>>
>> http://alife.co.uk/essays/engineered_future/
> .....
>
> An interesting article. I think your conclusions are right.

Hans Moravec has been saying much the same thing for 20 years
now:

``This is the end. Our genes, engaged for four billion years in
a relentless, spiralling arms race with one other, have finally
outsmarted themselves. They've produced a weapon so powerful it
will vanquish the losers and winners alike. I do not mean nuclear
devices - their widespread use would merely delay the immensely
more interesting demise that's been engineered.''

http://www.frc.ri.cmu.edu/~hpm/project.archive/general.articles/1988/takeover.lt...
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Re: Artificial life likely in 3 to 10 years         


Author: DK
Date: Aug 27, 2007 23:06

Tim Tyler cyberspace.org> wrote:
>Alan Meyer wrote:
>> "Tim Tyler" cyberspace.org> wrote in message
>
>>> It is silly to imagine artificial lifeforms
>>> will not take over:
>>>
>>> http://alife.co.uk/essays/engineered_future/
>> .....
>>
>> An interesting article. I think your conclusions are right.
>
>Hans Moravec has been saying much the same thing for 20 years
>now:
>
>``This is the end. Our genes, engaged for four billion years in
> a relentless, spiralling arms race with one other, have finally
> outsmarted themselves. They've produced a weapon so powerful it
> will vanquish the losers and winners alike. I do not mean nuclear
> devices - their widespread use would merely delay the immensely ...
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Re: Artificial life likely in 3 to 10 years         


Author: Guy A Hoelzer
Date: Aug 28, 2007 11:41

in article fb0e12$1m7n$1@darwin.ediacara.org, DK at
dk@no.email.thankstospam.net wrote on 8/27/07 11:06 PM:
> Tim Tyler cyberspace.org> wrote:
>> Alan Meyer wrote:
>>> "Tim Tyler" cyberspace.org> wrote in message
>>
>>>> It is silly to imagine artificial lifeforms
>>>> will not take over...
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Re: Artificial life likely in 3 to 10 years         


Author: Tim Tyler
Date: Aug 28, 2007 11:41

DK wrote:
> Tim Tyler cyberspace.org> wrote:
>> Alan Meyer wrote:
>>> "Tim Tyler" cyberspace.org> wrote in message
>>>> It is silly to imagine artificial lifeforms
>>>> will not take over:
>>>>
>>>> http://alife.co.uk/essays/engineered_future/
>>> .....
>>>
>>> An interesting article. I think your conclusions are right.
>> Hans Moravec has been saying much the same thing for 20 years
>> now: [...]
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Re: Artificial life likely in 3 to 10 years         


Author: DK
Date: Aug 29, 2007 10:18

Guy A Hoelzer unr.edu> wrote:
>in article fb0e12$1m7n$1@darwin.ediacara.org, DK at
>dk@no.email.thankstospam.net wrote on 8/27/07 11:06 PM:
>
>> Tim Tyler cyberspace.org> wrote:
>>> Alan Meyer wrote:
>>>> "Tim Tyler" cyberspace.org> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>> It is silly to imagine artificial lifeforms
>>>>> will not take over:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://alife.co.uk/essays/engineered_future/
>>>> .....
>>>>
>>>> An interesting article. I think your conclusions are right.
>>>
>>> Hans Moravec has been saying much the same thing for 20 years
>>> now:
>>>
>>> ``This is the end. Our genes, engaged for four billion years in ...
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