Re: ?? evidence for precolombian dhaturas on the indian subcontinent ??
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Re: ?? evidence for precolombian dhaturas on the indian subcontinent ??         

Group: sci.bio.botany · Group Profile
Author: galathaea
Date: Apr 18, 2008 13:25

On Apr 14, 11:51 pm, galathaea veawb.coop> wrote:
> in the western group temples of khajuraho
> in a corner of the grounds
> sits the kandariya mahadeva temple
>
> i came across the temple in a recent road trip across northern india
> and was excited because i thought
> it might hold scenes from the devi mahatmyam
> my favorite part of all the puranas
>
> this was a mysterious temple
> menacing from afar but strangely attractive
> inviting like a poison
>
> outside
> beneath the temple placard advertising its importance to the tourist
> i saw the distinctive trumpet of a datura metel bush
>
> http://www.galathaea.org/dhatura/kandariyaMahadeva-metel.JPG
>
> i had been noticing daturas through the road trip
> and earlier had shot a strand of datura stramonium outside in orchha
>
> http://www.galathaea.org/dhatura/strandOfStramoniumOrchha.JPG
>
> i have a deep love for the entire solanaceous family
> and grow metels and stramoniums in my garden
> so there were no difficulties identifying these plants
> but i did not realise at first what secrets this simple fact might reveal
>
> the kandariya mahadeva temple held more explicit and more various
> the erotic tantric sculptures the khajuraho temples are famous for
> and more scenes from the ancient epics seemed detailed
>
> stepping into the inner sanctum
> after paying respects to the central lingam
> i followed the relief all around the pradakshinathapa until i suddenly saw
>
> http://www.galathaea.org/dhatura/wideClearPhlash.JPG
>
> although certainly no expert in hindu iconography
> i felt certain that this was a depiction of durga slaying mahishasura
> from the second or middle charita of the devi mahatmyam
>
> http://www.galathaea.org/dhatura/clearPhlashPhoto.JPG
>
> but if you take a look at the upper right of the pictures
> (durga's left shoulder)
> you will notice some kind of trumpet flower or fabric arrangement
>
> http://www.galathaea.org/dhatura/closeUpStatueTrumpet.JPGhttp://www.galathaea.or...
>
> to me
> this seemed a likely datura representation
> but this is where i get pretty much useless
>
> now
> i can recognise many of the traditional weapons she is supposed to be holding
>
> i see the sword in her right hand diagonal behind her back
> and i see scepter down
> the conch shell hiding in the betweenness of the right arms
> the sudarshan-chakra discus in the uppermost right
>
> i see her shield
>
> others appear missing in the broken arms
> but it seems likely that the datura-looking thing
> corresponds to what is also common in iconography as her lotus flower
> however that is certainly not a representation of a lotus flower
>
> it is not even closely resembling
> and i cannot think of any other botanical it might be
>
> now i also know that there is a strong tradition
> associating daturas with shiva and kali/durga
> and i know there is some historical use by thuggees
> but i also know that the thuggee are not definitively precolombian
> and the "traditional" explanation for datura in india
> is misassignment of other botanicals through linguistic transference
>
> because datura
> like many other solanaceous plants like tomatos and chiles
> are new world plants
>
> there were no known trade routes which could have brought it to india
>
> precolumbus
> orthodoxy claims no communication between old world and the new
>
> a datura in a tenth century temple would indicate something quite remarkable
>
> ^..^
>
> but of course
> it would not be anything definitive
>
> seeds can travel without human intervention
>
> there are always other explanations
>
> and of course i've heard of the cocaine and tobacco
> the mass-spec found in egypt
>
> what do you think?
> what else could this piece of statuary represent?

after some literature research
i have found
http://ns1.ias.ac.in/jbiosci/dec2007/1227.pdf
which illustrates some other statuary evidence
so perhaps the conclusion is not half-baked

i will email the authors with my own findings
but i was curious about the scholarliness of my presentation

for those of you who may be professionals in these fields
how does the presentation of this find measure up?

are the pictures satisfactory
or should i have captured more angles?
(i did, but they ended too blurry to post)

is the identification of the representation accurate?

was my specification of it's location accurate enough?

should i have collected any other evidence?
(situational, expository, supportive, ...)

is the hypothesis of precolombian daturas
a valid hypothesis on the evidence?

now that i've seen the 2007 paper
i am more comfortable that there are
at least other kooks who think like me

that is comforting
but i'm still unsure how kooky the results really are...

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