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Re: Ray Kurzweil: Immortality within 15 years.         


Author: Michael Ash
Date: Dec 26, 2007 09:03

In rec.arts.sf.science Joseph Nebus rpi-.edu> wrote:
> Singapore's income tax system had a pretty convenient setup.
> My employer reported my income right to Inland Revenue; my donations and
> other deductions were similarly reported right to them.

I realize that it doesn't mean the same thing, but as an American, the
idea that an island nation roughly the size of a large parking lot has an
"Inland Revenue" is quite amusing.

--
Michael Ash
Rogue Amoeba Software
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Re: Ray Kurzweil: Immortality within 15 years.         


Author: Quadibloc
Date: Dec 26, 2007 11:41

On Dec 25, 8:21 pm, Robert Clark yahoo.com> wrote:
> The quest for immortality also presupposes that what comes after
> death is nothingness, or can not be many times better than life.

But that is perfectly reasonable. When I turn off my computer, I don't
think that the programs I was running on it "go" somewhere else and
continue executing.

It's true that our distant ancestors, who didn't understand things
like vacuum fluctuations and natural selection, made up stories about
a Sky-Father who watches over us and protects the good and punishes
the bad. This probably started as something made up to tell small
children. But, what with the viscissitudes of life in ancient times,
at some point perhaps children had to survive on their own after their
parents died, and they maintained the traditions of their tribe in a
distorted form.

Of course, though, not all manifestations of religion are like the
most noticeable ones, that obviously use the threat of Hell fire to
addle the wits of the ignorant and stupid, in order to manipulate and
control them. But it still seems like it's hardly worth considering
seriously.
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Re: Ray Kurzweil: Immortality within 15 years.         


Author: Quadibloc
Date: Dec 26, 2007 11:55

On Dec 24, 11:02 pm, Michael Ash mikeash.com> wrote:
> In rec.arts.sf.science Keith F. Lynch keithlynch.net> wrote:
>> The wearing out of those body parts *is* aging. If we can prevent all
>> deaths by old age, it will be by preventing or perfectly repairing
>> such deterioration. There's no chance that death will...
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Re: Ray Kurzweil: Immortality within 15 years.         


Author: Quadibloc
Date: Dec 26, 2007 11:59

On Dec 26, 10:03 am, Michael Ash mikeash.com> wrote:
> In rec.arts.sf.science Joseph Nebus rpi-.edu> wrote:
>
>> Singapore's income tax system had a pretty convenient setup.
>> My employer reported my income right to Inland Revenue; my donations and
>> other deductions were similarly reported right to them.
>
> I realize that it doesn't mean the same thing, but as an American, the
> idea that an island nation roughly the size of a large parking lot has an
> "Inland Revenue" is quite amusing.

The name comes from Britain, which, although fairly large compared to
Singapore, still never lets you get too far from its coasts. (The
notion that its extreme south-western tip might be far-away and exotic
was used as a comical notion in a comic opera called "The Pirates of
Penzance" at one time.)

And, of course, it means simply taxes raised on activity within the
country, as distinct from import duties, presumably handled by another
department.

John Savard
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Re: Ray Kurzweil: Immortality within 15 years.         


Author: Damien Valentine
Date: Dec 26, 2007 12:25

On Dec 26, 11:41 am, Quadibloc wrote:
> It's true that our distant ancestors, who didn't understand things
> like vacuum fluctuations and natural selection, made up stories about
> a Sky-Father...

Oh please let's not get into religion.
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Re: Ray Kurzweil: Immortality within 15 years.         


Author: Damien Valentine
Date: Dec 26, 2007 12:26

Two questions:

1. How long has Kurzweil been making these predictions?
2. What was the Countdown to Immortality he gave when he started?
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Re: Ray Kurzweil: Immortality within 15 years.         


Author: Nate Edel
Date: Dec 26, 2007 14:00

In rec.arts.sf.written Howard Brazee brazee.net> wrote:
> "Keith F. Lynch" KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>I interpret that as meaning that there may be a finite number of
>>things to learn and do, thus people may become severely bored after
>>a few trillion trillion trillion eons.
>
> Long before that time, "You" will be long gone. All your synapses
> would be of memories of the way future.

Depends on your view of "you."
> 1. Living space. It *will* be used up

Depends on how population increase goes - it's far from used up, now, and I
doubt we'll see many more doublings of the human population as it stands.
Further, it may be a non-issue if humanity moves off this planet - which is
inevitable if people are to last more than a couple billion years further.
> 2. Procreation. The nature of life is to procreate.

So what? Humanity has already transcended nature in a lot of other ways.
Procreation is already turning into a luxury in the most-developed parts of
the world.
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Re: Ray Kurzweil: Immortality within 15 years.         


Author: Aaron Denney
Date: Dec 26, 2007 14:06

["Followup-To:" header set to rec.arts.sf.written.]
On 2007-12-26, Wallace Wright wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2007 at 06:51:22AM -0600, Ken from Chicago wrote:
>>
>> "Jon Schild" xmission.com> wrote in message
>> news:fkovp0$mlo$2@news.xmission.com...
>>>
>>> Robert Clark wrote:
>>>> Would you give up your immortality to ensure the success of a
>>>> posthuman world?
>>>
>>> Absolutely. And it isn't that hard a question. Maybe when you are 20 or 30
>>> the idea of living forever seems attractive, but wait until you get older
>>> and assorted body parts no longer work like they should. Then you can
>>> understand the full meaning of a button I have seen at several worldcons:
>>>
>>> "Immortality -- A Fate Worse than Death"
>>
>> That's assuming you continue to decay--as opposed to stabilizing around 30
>> years physically. And that pain medication loses effectiveness. One of the ...
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Re: Ray Kurzweil: Immortality within 15 years.         


Author: Nate Edel
Date: Dec 26, 2007 14:02

In rec.arts.sf.written Howard Brazee brazee.net> wrote:
>>You underestimate how interesting life and the universe can be--and for
>>immortals, travel to the stars becomes totally doable, even at
>>subrelativistic speeds.
>
> I am doing wild guessing here - I have know way of knowing how long
> this delight can continue - but I see people not wanting to see more
> new stuff.

Depends on the people; my grandfather was still interested in seeing more
new stuff into his early 90s, and stopped only because his physical health
didn't hold up into his mid-90s.

--
Nate Edel http://www.cubiclehermit.com/
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Re: Ray Kurzweil: Immortality within 15 years.         


Author: Michael Ash
Date: Dec 26, 2007 15:53

In rec.arts.sf.science Quadibloc wrote:
> On Dec 26, 10:03 am, Michael Ash mikeash.com> wrote:
>> I realize that it doesn't mean the same thing, but as an American, the
>> idea that an island nation roughly the size of a large parking lot has an
>> "Inland Revenue" is quite amusing.
>
> The name comes from Britain, which, although fairly large compared to
> Singapore, still never lets you get too far from its coasts. (The
> notion that its extreme south-western tip might be far-away and exotic
> was used as a comical notion in a comic opera called "The Pirates of
> Penzance" at one time.)
>
> And, of course, it means simply taxes raised on activity within the
> country, as distinct from import duties, presumably handled by another
> department.
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