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Author: Crown-Horned Snorkack
Date: May 14, 2008 23:22

What is the minimum mass of a habitable planet?

Mars is not habitable now (7 mbar atmosphere) but once upon a time
Mars had flowing rivers, steady dendritic drainage and occasional
outburst floods.

What was the atmospheric pressure on Mars back then?

How much more massive than Mars would a planet have to be to keep
atmosphere breathable for people? Assuming that the planet is also
warmer than Mars, in Earth´s orbit more vulnerable to atmospheric
escape?

Does this depend on what is defined as "breathable"?

It is alleged that Venus and Mars have less atmospheric escape because
they have cold exosphere, and exosphere is cold because carbon dioxide
radiates heat. Whereas nitrogen and oxygen exosphere of Earth (just
0,03 %% carbon dioxide) tends to heat and escape.

Carbon dioxide is poisonous.

However, the Earth´s 0,3 mbar is far less than the poisonous amount to
people. People have 50 mbar carbon dioxide in lungs. In submarines,
there is normally 10 to 20 mbar carbon dioxide, which is perceivable
but quite tolerable.
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Re: Minimum mass of habitable planet         


Author: Androcles
Date: May 15, 2008 01:37

"Crown-Horned Snorkack" wrote in message
news:73c10a24-c4ee-474b-9ac8-e1ca2ab7ec13@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
What is the minimum mass of a habitable planet?

Mars is not habitable now (7 mbar atmosphere) but once upon a time
Mars had flowing rivers, steady dendritic drainage and occasional
outburst floods.

What was the atmospheric pressure on Mars back then?

How much more massive than Mars would a planet have to be to keep
atmosphere breathable for people? Assuming that the planet is also
warmer than Mars, in Earth
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Re: Minimum mass of habitable planet         


Author: Robert J. Kolker
Date: May 15, 2008 03:11

Crown-Horned Snorkack wrote:
>
> How much more massive than Mars would a planet have to be to keep
> atmosphere breathable for people? Assuming that the planet is also
> warmer than Mars, in Earth´s orbit more vulnerable to atmospheric
> escape?

In addition to being massive, Mars would need a magnetic field.

Bob Kolker
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Re: Minimum mass of habitable planet         


Author: Crown-Horned Snorkack
Date: May 15, 2008 08:33

On 15 mai, 13:11, "Robert J. Kolker" comcast.net> wrote:
> Crown-Horned Snorkack wrote:
>
>> How much more massive than Mars would a planet have to be to keep
>> atmosphere breathable for people? Assuming that the planet is also
>> warmer than Mars, in Earth´s orbit more vulnerable to atmospheric
>> escape?
>
> In addition to being massive, Mars would need a magnetic field.
>
Mercury has magnetic field. Venus has none, but nevertheless possesses
a massive atmosphere.

How much less massive than Venus would a nonmagnetic planet need to be
to lose atmosphere?
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Re: Minimum mass of habitable planet         


Author: MWillMartin
Date: May 15, 2008 08:59

On May 14, 11:22 pm, Crown-Horned Snorkack
wrote:
>
> So, what would be the minimum mass of habitable planet?

Titan manages a 1.5 bar pressure despite being smaller than Mars.
Granted, it's cold.

Can you even have a pure oxygen atmosphere without anything else?
Don't plants need to convert atmosphere to oxygen?
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Re: Minimum mass of habitable planet         


Author: Bernard Peek
Date: May 15, 2008 09:40

In message
<14850294-86ae-4d97-a6d3-1240f0bba5cf@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
MWillMartin@gmail.com writes
>On May 14, 11:22 pm, Crown-Horned Snorkack
>wrote:
>
>>
>> So, what would be the minimum mass of habitable planet?
>
>Titan manages a 1.5 bar pressure despite being smaller than Mars.
>Granted, it's cold.
>
>Can you even have a pure oxygen atmosphere without anything else?
>Don't plants need to convert atmosphere to oxygen?

Oxygen gas is so reactive that it's unlikely to be found free except
where there is a process that continually generates it.

--
Bernard Peek
London, UK. DBA, Manager, Trainer & Author.
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Re: Minimum mass of habitable planet         


Author: Anthony Buckland
Date: May 15, 2008 09:59

gmail.com> wrote in message
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> ...
> Can you even have a pure oxygen atmosphere without anything else?
> ...

It turned out to be a really bad idea in the Apollo capsule fire.
A pure oxygen atmosphere has a boundless enthusiasm for
oxidizing, really rapidly, anything vaguely burnable given a
start.
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Re: Minimum mass of habitable planet         


Author: petertrei
Date: May 15, 2008 10:27

On May 15, 12:59 pm, "Anthony Buckland"
telus.net> wrote:
> gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:14850294-86ae-4d97-a6d3-1240f0bba5cf@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
>>  ...
>> Can you even have a pure oxygen atmosphere without anything else?
>> ...
>
> It turned out to be a really bad idea in the Apollo capsule fire.
> A pure oxygen atmosphere has a boundless enthusiasm for
> oxidizing, really rapidly, anything vaguely burnable given a
> start.

The fact that the capsule while sitting on the pad was held
at 1 full atmosphere was also part of the problem. I'm under
the impression that in flight, the pressure was considerably
reduced. I suspect this would also reduce the firehazard.

pt
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Re: Minimum mass of habitable planet         


Author: petertrei
Date: May 15, 2008 10:33

On May 15, 6:11 am, "Robert J. Kolker" comcast.net> wrote:
> Crown-Horned Snorkack wrote:
>
>> How much more massive than Mars would a planet have to be to keep
>> atmosphere breathable for people? Assuming that the planet is also
>> warmer than Mars, in Earth´s orbit more vulnerable to atmospheric
>> escape?
>
> In addition to being massive, Mars would need a magnetic field.

The magnetic field reduces the solar radiation flux in the
upper atmosphere. In the case of Mars, the lack of a
magnetic field is thought to have allowed the radiation
to dissociate water molecules. The hydrogen escaped
into space, and the oxygen reacted with iron in the soil.
Thus, Mars dried out.
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Re: Minimum mass of habitable planet         


Author: Brian Davis
Date: May 15, 2008 12:16

On May 15, 1:33 pm, petert...@gmail.com wrote:
>> In addition to being massive, Mars would need a magnetic field.
>
> The magnetic field reduces the solar radiation flux in the
> upper atmosphere.

No. Photons are most certainly non-magnetic :)
> In the case of Mars, the lack of a magnetic field is thought
> to have allowed the radiation to dissociate water molecules.

Um, again, planetary magnetic fields actually have zero effect on
solar radiation. Charged particles, yes, but water is disassociated by
solar UV.

In fact, the only point I can think of in favor of a magnetic field is
to possibly prevent atmospheric stripping by the solar wind over time
(one factor thought to contribute to Mars' low surface pressure).
Venus maintains an atmosphere just fine without it, as would Earth,
and those atmospheres are nicely thick from the standpoint of
radiation shielding as well (in other words, you again don't need a
planetary magnetic field).
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