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Re: Do magnetars emit audible LW AM radio waves that can be heard on receivers?         


Author: Andrew Smallshaw
Date: Jul 15, 2007 12:18

On 2007-07-15, Radium gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 15, 10:05 am, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> The bigger issue with the frequency (other than plain stupidity) you
>> have choosen is that to be able to say you are hearing signals from
>> something specific in the sky as opposed to everything in the sky,
>> you need to have antenna directivity.
^^^^^^^^^^^
> Why does it need to be around 500 miles? Atomic-clock wrist-watches
> receive extremely long wavelengths and are able to do so with their
> tiny sizes. Couldn't something similar be done for my 'application'?
> If not, then why?

Since when have radio controlled watches indicated the direction
to their transmitters?
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Re: Do magnetars emit audible LW AM radio waves that can be heard on receivers?         


Author: Rich
Date: Jul 15, 2007 17:27

On Jul 14, 9:46 pm, Chris L Peterson alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:55:01 GMT, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>The definitions for all types of modulation involve a carrier frequency.
>
>>Since natural phenomena generate broad band noise, it is arm waving
>>at best to call the variations in amplitude "amplitude modulation".
>
>>What it is is a broad band source that periodically varies in signal
>>strength.
>
> There's nothing that defines how narrow a band need be to qualify as a
> "carrier". Many modern communication systems are spread spectrum, which
> means the carrier may be very broad. Such systems are certainly
> modulated. Also, many astronomical sources are not broadband at all, but
> radiate across a narrow spectrum.

Bet he feels less superior now....10:1 he slithers off.
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Re: Do magnetars emit audible LW AM radio waves that can be heard on receivers?         


Author: jimp
Date: Jul 15, 2007 17:55

In rec.radio.amateur.space Chris L Peterson alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:15:01 GMT, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>Nope, mathematically AM is defined as a single carrier frequency
>>>>multipled by the modulation frequency. That you get a variation in
>>>>amplitude is an effect, not a definition.
>>
>>> Reference? I think you are confusing a single definition of AM with all
>>> other definitions of the term.
> That isn't a mathematical definition of amplitude modulation. It's an
> example of an implementation of amplitude modulation for the purpose of
> deliberately encoding information. And in fact, it's idealized since no
> carrier frequency can ever be perfectly discrete. I've never seen a rule
> for how narrow or broad a carrier needs to be in order for an amplitude
> modulated form of it to be allowed to carry the term "amplitude
> modulation". And I'm sure you haven't either.
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Re: Do magnetars emit audible LW AM radio waves that can be heard on receivers?         


Author: Chris L Peterson
Date: Jul 15, 2007 18:04

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:55:01 GMT, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>You ignored the most important question; is the square root of -1 i or j?

I use i. But I certainly recall electronics classes where j was used to
avoid confusion. I don't worry too much about the choice of symbol.

_________________________________________________

Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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Re: Do magnetars emit audible LW AM radio waves that can be heard on receivers?         


Author: jimp
Date: Jul 15, 2007 18:35

In rec.radio.amateur.space Chris L Peterson alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:55:01 GMT, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>You ignored the most important question; is the square root of -1 i or j?
> I use i. But I certainly recall electronics classes where j was used to
> avoid confusion. I don't worry too much about the choice of symbol.

There you have it.

The basic problem is we speak two different languages; it's j.

It is like telling the Marine Corp and the Air Force to "secure a building".

The Corp orders air and artillery strikes, does a frontal infantry
assualt and establishes a defensive perimeter inside the building.

The Air Force takes out a three year lease with an option to buy.

--
Jim Pennino

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Re: Do magnetars emit audible LW AM radio waves that can be heard on receivers?         


Author: Sam Wormley
Date: Jul 15, 2007 18:44

Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:36:08 GMT, Sam Wormley mchsi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Amplitude modulation, in the communications world, has a definite
>> structure--I suspect that magnetar spectra don't exhibit amplitude
>> modulation characteristics.
>
> A magnetar is a type of pulsar. You have a signal at some frequency (or
> range frequencies) that varies in amplitude with time (as the object
> spins). That's the very definition of amplitude modulation. Nearly every
> radio source around shows some degree of amplitude modulation as the
> result of spin. This includes objects radiating well out of the radio
> band, as well. Optical binaries exhibit AM. Starspots show up as AM.
> Rotating asteroids are AM. Cepheids. Cataclysmic variables. Etc.
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory ...
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Re: Do magnetars emit audible LW AM radio waves that can be heard on receivers?         


Author: Radium
Date: Jul 15, 2007 18:45

On Jul 15, 11:52 am, "George Dishman" briar.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliosphere
>
> Both the material within the region and the ISM are almost
> entirely ionised so are in a form known as "plasma", a
> soup of charged particles. One of the feautures of plasma
> is that is absorbs low frequency signals below what is
> called the "plasma cutoff frequency". Basically below
> the VHF band, space becomes increasingly opaque and signals
> from stars don't reach us.

Okay so it seems like a no win-situation here. Too low and plasmas
will cut it off. Too high and you lose strength really fast.

http://www.terabeam.com/support/calculations/free-space-loss.php
>From the above link, it seems that a higher-frequency radio wave would
lose its strength faster than a lower-frequency radio wave of the same
original strength would.
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Re: Do magnetars emit audible LW AM radio waves that can be heard on receivers?         


Author: Chris L Peterson
Date: Jul 15, 2007 20:06

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:35:01 GMT, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>There you have it.
>
>The basic problem is we speak two different languages; it's j.

No, I'm bilingual. You apparently are not .

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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
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Re: Do magnetars emit audible LW AM radio waves that can be heard on receivers?         


Author: jimp
Date: Jul 15, 2007 20:35

In rec.radio.amateur.space Chris L Peterson alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:35:01 GMT, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>There you have it.
>>
>>The basic problem is we speak two different languages; it's j.
> No, I'm bilingual. You apparently are not .

Blasphemy; unbelievers are not allowed to speak the one true language.

In a broad band astronomical signal, where does one find the upper and
lower side bands of AM?

Are they standing tall and proud as they should, or are they lost in
the hiss and spit of a signal that is best described as "shit happens"?

--
Jim Pennino

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Re: Do magnetars emit audible LW AM radio waves that can be heard on receivers?         


Author: KLM
Date: Jul 16, 2007 00:12

> In rec.radio.amateur.space KLM mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>> Radium wrote:
>
>>> On Jul 13, 2:15 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> In rec.radio.amateur.space Radium gmail.com...
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