> " Although his hands also had been
> nailed to the cross, so that he could not have handled a cup
> of the juice, he was able to squeeze the leaves with his wrists,
> letting the thick honey-like substance slide down Jesus' throat.
> Within a few hours the purgative worked, and Jesus recovered
> consciousness."

> Fourth: Squeezing with "wrists" is not going to work. Aloes need quite a bit
> of force to be squeezed, and soft, indirect, wrist pressure ain't going to
> do it even if Simon could stand the pain of applying a butt load of pressure
> to bones that have been broken up in his hands."

> "David" yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1190079623.544423.149890@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 17, 8:17 pm, "Yowie" yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>

>> "David" yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

>>>news:1190069919.585728.229160@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 17, 5:37 pm, "Yowie" yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>

>>>>...
>>>> Secondly, where did the aloes come from? There is no mention of aloes
>>>> in
>>>> the
>>>> gospels. ...

> On 18 Sep, 06:33, "Yowie" yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>

>> " Although his hands also had been
>> nailed to the cross, so that he could not have handled a cup
>> of the juice, he was able to squeeze the leaves with his wrists,
>> letting the thick honey-like substance slide down Jesus' throat.
>> Within a few hours the purgative worked, and Jesus recovered
>> consciousness."
>> Fourth: Squeezing with "wrists" is not going to work. Aloes need quite a bit
>> of force to be squeezed, and soft, indirect, wrist pressure ain't going to
>> do it even if Simon could stand the pain of applying a butt load of pressure
>> to bones that have been broken up in his hands."

>
> Another problem. As I understand it, tests (yeugh) have shown that
> nails through the hands wouldn't work for crucifiction - they would
> simply pull out under the weight of the body. Nails went through the
> wrists ...
>
> Ian ...

> On Sep 18, 1:33 am, "Yowie" yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>> You made the claim that you will answer *all* questions when this came up. I
>> am holding you to it.

> No, I want a looser context in our relationship.

> I myself am not making claims. Do you understand? Yes or No.

> Instead, I was explaining certain points of Dr. Thiering's.

> In terms of SRQ history, MUTUAL search for truth has been SOMEWHAT
> RARE. Yes, it has
> happened at times in certain contexts.

> David wrote:

>> On Sep 18, 1:33 am, "Yowie" yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>>> You made the claim that you will answer *all* questions when this came up. I
>>> am holding you to it.

>> No, I want a looser context in our relationship.

>
> What on earth is that supposed to mean?
>

>> I myself am not making claims. Do you understand? Yes or No.

>
> You clearly and publically offered to answer any questions. Why will
> you not do so?
>

>> Instead, I was explaining certain points of Dr. Thiering's.

>
> On the contrary, you are blatantly breaking your promise to explain
> things.
>

>> In terms of SRQ history, MUTUAL search for truth has been SOMEWHAT ...

> On Sep 18, 10:14 am, Ian btinternet.com> wrote:

>> Now answer Yowie's questions, as you promised to do.

> As God is my witness - no.

> On 18 Sep, 16:46, David yahoo.com> wrote:
>

>> On Sep 18, 10:14 am, Ian btinternet.com> wrote:

>>> Now answer Yowie's questions, as you promised to do.

>> As God is my witness - no.

>
> For as long as I can remember you have asked people to read Thiering
> material and then ask you any questions arising. Yowie /has/ read the
> material, and has now put to you a series of simple, well-focussed
> questions.
>
> Why will you not answer?
>
> Ian

> On Sep 18, 1:12 pm, Ian btinternet.com> wrote:

>> Why will you not answer?

> Because I am tired.
>
> Do you have any idea the immense amount of work it takes to master
> Thiering
> when, as Yowie says, society gives you NOTHING back for it?

> On 18 Sep, 18:39, David yahoo.com> wrote:
>

>> On Sep 18, 1:12 pm, Ian btinternet.com> wrote:

>>> Why will you not answer?

>> Because I am tired.

>

>> Do you have any idea the immense amount of work it takes to master
>> Thiering
>> when, as Yowie says, society gives you NOTHING back for it?

>
> You said any reasonably bright schoolboy could master it. You've got
> years of study. Surely you've thought about the points she raises?
> They are all rather obvious, aren't they?
>
> Answer the questions.
>
> Ian