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Author: Oz
Date: Aug 16, 2006 22:22

lucasea@sbcglobal.net writes
>And, as someone else added, we are now approaching an even the likes of
>which modern society has never seen--the depletion of a resource that we
>have allowed to become our one essentially immutable need--i.e., society
>will collapse without it--and we have no replacement in place.

That may be how it appears to us-ians.

Its never been that way to most of the rest of the world where coal was
until recently (and in many countries still is) a major energy source
and coal, nuclear and hydro are also very important.

--
Oz
This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.
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Re: takes 1.5 gallons gasoline to produce 1 gallon ethanol in modernagriculture         


Author: lucasea
Date: Aug 17, 2006 10:23

"Oz" farmeroz.port995.com> wrote in message
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> lucasea@sbcglobal.net writes
>>And, as someone else added, we are now approaching an even the likes of
>>which modern society has never seen--the depletion of a resource that we
>>have allowed to become our one essentially immutable need--i.e., society
>>will collapse without it--and we have no replacement in place.
>
> That may be how it appears to us-ians.
>
> Its never been that way to most of the rest of the world where coal was
> until recently (and in many countries still is) a major energy source
> and coal, nuclear and hydro are also very important.

No different from my point of view. Coal is responsible for a large
fraction of electricity generation in the US, too. Nuclear and hydro are
sadly neglected here, admittedly, but oil and NG are relatively...
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Re: takes 1.5 gallons gasoline to produce 1 gallon ethanol in modernagriculture         


Author: Dan Bloomquist
Date: Aug 17, 2006 11:48

lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> Also, don't forget that estimates of the longevity of coal resources are
> based on currently foreseeable increases in usage. What happens to those
> numbers when you have to use coal to replace all of the fuels and
> petrochemicals that used to come from oil?

Using EIA's growth projections and BP's reserve numbers, (all coal), we
would see peak coal in about 50-60 years.
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Re: takes 1.5 gallons gasoline to produce 1 gallon ethanol in         


Author: Eeyore
Date: Aug 17, 2006 16:55

Dan Bloomquist wrote:
> lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>>
>> Also, don't forget that estimates of the longevity of coal resources are
>> based on currently foreseeable increases in usage. What happens to those
>> numbers when you have to use coal to replace all of the fuels and
>> petrochemicals that used to come from oil?
>
> Using EIA's growth projections and BP's reserve numbers, (all coal), we
> would see peak coal in about 50-60 years.

And what conclusion should we draw from this in your opinion ?

Graham
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