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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Author: Don Klipstein
Date: Apr 26, 2008 21:59

In article <48133cb9$0$9551$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, h wrote:
>
>"Don Klipstein" manx.misty.com> wrote in message
>news:slrng15bgh.1pq.don@manx.misty.com...
>> In article <4811a037$0$30226$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, h wrote:
>>>
>>>"Don Klipstein" manx.misty.com> wrote in message
>>>news:slrng12a9m.dk4.don@manx.misty.com...
>>
>> Hogs get fat from high calorie intake. Keep in mind that when the low
>> carb craze was expanding, America's waistlines and diabetes rates
>> continued expanding.
>
>It's not a "craze". It's been around forever. I stopped eating all grains in
>my 20s, when I discovered my gluten sensitivity. If I ate wheat I got
>asthma, if I didn't I was fine. I had already stopped eating most other
>carbs because I would crash after eating them. I had never heard of "Atkins"
>at the time. It was just healthy, proper eating. I'm now in my 50s and I
>weigh the same as I did in my 20s. I've gained an inch or two since my
>ballet dancer days, but muscle weighs more than fat, and I only exercise an ...
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Author: Vic Smith
Date: Apr 26, 2008 23:13

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:59:20 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:
>
> His weekend restaurant fare shifted significantly towards buffet places
>(pig out on veggies of all carb levels) and Subway (footlong no-cheese
>subs with the lean meats). Or a steak place and...
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Author: habshi
Date: Apr 27, 2008 03:06

Once it takes more oil energy to pump oil to the surface than
you get out of it , you have run out of oil
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Date: Apr 27, 2008 05:18

"Don Klipstein" manx.misty.com> wrote in message
news:slrng18218.rn5.don@manx.misty.com...
> In article <48133cb9$0$9551$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, h wrote:
>>
>>"Don Klipstein" manx.misty.com> wrote in message
>>news:slrng15bgh.1pq.don@manx.misty.com...
>>> In article <4811a037$0$30226$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, h wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"Don Klipstein" manx.misty.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:slrng12a9m.dk4.don@manx.misty.com...
>>>
>>> Hogs get fat from high calorie intake. Keep in mind that when the low
>>> carb craze was expanding, America's waistlines and diabetes rates
>>> continued expanding.
>>
>>It's not a "craze". It's been around forever. I stopped eating all grains
>>in
>>my 20s, when I discovered my gluten sensitivity. If I ate wheat I got
>>asthma, if I didn't I was fine. I had already stopped eating most other
>>carbs because I would crash after eating them. I had never heard of ...
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Author: Phred
Date: Apr 27, 2008 07:54

In article w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, jtnospam@yahoo.com wrote:
[snip]
>There haven't been that many democracies, historically speaking. Post-
>colonial India has had some starving people from time to time,

Back in the era of "starving millions" in the 1950s/60s India was
considered such a basket-case that even FAO had given up on it.
(Pakistan was in similar trouble, but it was seen as salvagable.)

India (and other countries in dire straits) were saved by the green
revolution of short straw/high harvest index grains.
>but perhaps it is a stretch to call it a true democracy...

They have an elected government. They have lively Opposition parties.
At least one Indian State (Kerala) has actually *elected* a Communist
government. (I think there may have been another more recently too,
up in the NE corner. But I wasn't paying enough attention at the time
so I'm not sure about that.)

How much more do they need to do to be a democracy? They're already
in front of the United States.
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Author: Rod Speed
Date: Apr 27, 2008 12:23

habshi anony.com> wrote
> Once it takes more oil energy to pump oil to the
> surface than you get out of it , you have run out of oil

Not necessarily, depends on what energy you use to do the pumping.
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Author: habshi
Date: Apr 27, 2008 16:11

You could use nuclear energy to pump the oil but uranium
reserves would vanish within a decade

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:23:12 +1000, "Rod Speed"
gmail.com> wrote:

Not necessarily, depends on what energy you use to do the pumping.
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Author: Rod Speed
Date: Apr 27, 2008 16:18

habshi anony.com> wrote:
> Rod Speed gmail.com> wrote
>> habshi anony.com> wrote
>>> Once it takes more oil energy to pump oil to the
>>> surface than you get out of it , you have run out of oil
>> Not necessarily, depends on what energy you use to do the pumping.
> You could use nuclear energy to pump the oil but
> uranium reserves would vanish within a decade

Wrong. And there are breeder reactors even if that was true.
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Author: jtnospam
Date: Apr 27, 2008 23:29

On Apr 27, 4:18 pm, "Rod Speed" gmail.com> wrote:
> habshi anony.com> wrote:
>> Rod Speed gmail.com> wrote
>>> habshi anony.com> wrote
>>>> Once it takes more oil energy to pump oil to the
>>>> surface than you get out of it , you have run out of oil
>>> Not necessarily, depends on what energy you use to do the pumping.
>> You could use nuclear energy to pump the oil but
>> uranium reserves would vanish within a decade
>
> Wrong. And there are breeder reactors even if that was true.

And spent fuel reprocessing, MOX reactors, heavy water reactors that
can use depleted uranium, etc.-Jitney
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Author: Cindy Hamilton
Date: Apr 28, 2008 09:52

On Apr 26, 12:13 am, wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5cc53294-5dca-4986-b9b0-91560a6ae95b@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 24, 2:57 pm, wrote:
>
>> But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains,
>> corn,
>> and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't imagine that
>> stuff fed to anything but livestock.
>>>Of course.  What ivory tower do you live in?  Carbohydrates are the
>>>staple
>>>food of millions of Americans.
>
> Yep. And that's why so many Americans are so fat.
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