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Author: HeyBubHeyBub Date: Apr 26, 2008 06:32
Rod Speed wrote:
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>> "Mr. Sen is famous for his assertion that famines do not occur in
>> democracies. "No famine has ever taken place in the history of the
>> world in a functioning democracy," he wrote in 'Democracy as
>> Freedom'."
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> He's just plain wrong.
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>> For this sort of thinking, Amartya Kumar Sen was awarded the 1998
>> Nobel Prize in Economics.
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> Nope, not for that steaming turd he wasnt.
Uh, yes. For exactly that:
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Author: HeyBubHeyBub Date: Apr 26, 2008 07:01
Don Klipstein wrote:
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> I would encourange gardening to combat the inflation in
> whatever/whoever is increasing the size of their slices of the pie.
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Gardening works if it attracts rabbits.
Remember, vegetables are not food; vegetables are what food eats.
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Date: Apr 26, 2008 07:31
"Don Klipstein" manx.misty.com> wrote in message
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>>"Don Klipstein" manx.misty.com> wrote in message
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>>>>"George" wrote in message
>>>>news:ydWdnS3VDu63Ko3VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@comcast.com...>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>> U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat. Sam's
>>>>>>> Club
>>>>>>> is rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain, white rice is
>>>>>>> cheaper than dirt - take as much as you want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or other type
>>>>>> of ...
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Author: Smitty TwoSmitty Two Date: Apr 26, 2008 08:19
In article earthlink.com>,
"HeyBub" NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> Don Klipstein wrote:
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>> I would encourange gardening to combat the inflation in
>> whatever/whoever is increasing the size of their slices of the pie.
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> Gardening works if it attracts rabbits.
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> Remember, vegetables are not food; vegetables are what food eats.
Sounds like my favorite bumper sticker: "If we're not supposed to eat
animals, why are they made of meat?"
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Author: SMSSMS Date: Apr 26, 2008 08:24
Phred wrote:
> In article <5fSdnfr6-eZuy4_VnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@ earthlink.com>, "HeyBub" NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> In article <-cadne-FwOfHI4zVnZ2dnUVZ_qainZ2d@ earthlink.com>,
>>> "HeyBub" NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:> [snip]
>>>> Current technology does not favor "grass" type crops, including
>>>> hemp, 'switch-grass' and others. The problem is the enormous cost of
>>>> transporting the raw materials to the processing plant.
>>> Have fun explaining how come sugar cane works fine.
>> Sugar cane is not a "grass" type crop - Duh!
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> Hey Bub, I'm afraid you've left me a bit confused. Sugar cane is a
> grass, so I don't see what you're getting at here.
Yes, it is a grass, and it's also one of the most efficient photo
synthesizers. Plus, after the crushing, the remains can be used for a
variety of products from generating electricity, to making paper.
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Author: Dan EspenDan Espen Date: Apr 26, 2008 08:42
"HeyBub" NOSPAMgmail.com> writes:
> Okay, show us a famine that has ever taken place in the history of the world
> in a functioning democracy. There have been food shortages in democracies,
> true. There may have even been widespread hunger. But never a famine.
Wikipedia has a handy list of famines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
scanning the list I see there were famines in Belgium and Greece
during WW2.
There are a few Irish famines, and one in Scotland.
I'm pretty sure all those countries had some sort of benevolent
monarchy at the time which was the fashion until only recently.
Most famines are caused by wars or natural catastrophes.
Democracies were pretty uncommon in the pre-industrial era.
I'm at a loss to understand what the point is.
The cures for famine come from modern industry and peace.
Democracies may lead to more peace but I think that's unproven.
We can certainly see counter examples in modern times.
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Date: Apr 26, 2008 09:16
SMS wrote:
> Phred wrote:
>> In article <5fSdnfr6-eZuy4_VnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@ earthlink.com>, "HeyBub"
>> NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> In article <-cadne-FwOfHI4zVnZ2dnUVZ_qainZ2d@ earthlink.com>,
>>>> "HeyBub" NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:>> [snip]
>>>>> Current technology does not favor "grass" type crops, including
>>>>> hemp, 'switch-grass' and others. The problem is the enormous cost of
>>>>> transporting the raw materials to the processing plant.
>>>> Have fun explaining how come sugar cane works fine.
>>> Sugar cane is not a "grass" type crop - Duh!
>>
>> Hey Bub, I'm afraid you've left me a bit confused. Sugar cane is a
>> grass, so I don't see what you're getting at here.
>
> Yes, it is a grass, and it's also one of the most efficient photo
> synthesizers. Plus, after the crushing, the remains can be used for a
> variety of products from generating electricity, to making paper. ...
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Author: Rod SpeedRod Speed Date: Apr 26, 2008 12:10
Dan Espen MORE.mk.SPAMtelcordia.com> wrote> HeyBub NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote>> Okay, show us a famine that has ever taken place in the
>> history of the world in a functioning democracy. There have
>> been food shortages in democracies, true. There may have
>> even been widespread hunger. But never a famine.
It does indeed.
A few obvious omissions tho, particularly Japan just after WW2
had ended when democracy had been imposed there by the allies.
And India after independance.
> scanning the list I see there were famines in Belgium and Greece during WW2.
Those werent arguably democracys at that time tho. Holland tool.
> There are a few Irish famines,
Yep, those are good examples of famines in a democracy.
> and one in Scotland.
That wasnt as extreme a famine as many of the others.
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Author: Rod SpeedRod Speed Date: Apr 26, 2008 12:35
HeyBub NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote> Rod Speed wrote
>>> "Mr. Sen is famous for his assertion that famines do not occur in
>>> democracies. "No famine has ever taken place in the history of the
>>> world in a functioning democracy," he wrote in 'Democracy as Freedom'."
>> He's just plain wrong.
>>> For this sort of thinking, Amartya Kumar Sen was awarded the 1998 Nobel Prize in Economics.
>> Nope, not for that steaming turd he wasnt.
> Uh, yes. For exactly that:
Nope, nothing like that particular steaming turd. He got his Nobel prize
for MATHEMATICAL ECONOMICS, and that particular steaming
turd of his has NOTHING to do with MATHEMATICAL economics.
> "Amartya Kumar Sen is an economist best known for his work on famine,
> Human development theory, welfare economics, and the underlying
> causes of poverty and hunger. When the world was talking of free
> market economy, Prof. Sen emphasised the need for giving a human face
> to development. Amartya Sen is one of those few economists who talk
> of political economy of hunger.
Irrelevant to what he got the Nobel Prize for.
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Author: Rod SpeedRod Speed Date: Apr 26, 2008 12:38
Kurt Ullman yahoo.com> wrote> Rod Speed gmail.com> wrote>> Kurt Ullman yahoo.com> wrote>>> Rod Speed gmail.com> wrote>>>> HeyBub NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote>>>>> aspasia wrote
>>>>>> Or rather corn ethanol demand was craftily engineered by
>>>>>> influential agribusinessmen in certain "heartland" states,
>>>>>> shoveling out their contributions to our beloved Congress-whores.
>>>>>> They did not care what ripple effects this would create in the
>>>>>> Third World, where people are now starving. Effects even felt in
>>>>>> our neighbor to the South, where the price of corn went through
>>>>>> the ceiling, affecting tortillas -- a standard food, like wheat
>>>>>> bread in the States.
>>>>> There has never been a famine in a democracy.
>>>> Wrong.
>>> Name one, if you would be so kind.
>> Depends on what you call a democracy. They had some in ancient times in Greece etc.
>> There were some in India after independance too.
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