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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Date: Apr 24, 2008 22:09

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:43:34 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:
>In article <4810d69e$0$30157$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, h wrote:
>>
>>"George" wrote in message
>>news:ydWdnS3VDu63Ko3VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> U...
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Date: Apr 25, 2008 02:11

"Don Klipstein" manx.misty.com> wrote in message
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> In article <4810d69e$0$30157$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, h wrote:
>>
>>"George" wrote in message
>>news:ydWdnS3VDu63Ko3VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat. Sam's
>>>>> Club
>>>>> is rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain, white rice is
>>>>> cheaper than dirt - take as much as you want.
>>>>
>>>> That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either at
>>>> the
>>>> local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or other type of
>>>> rice. I'd checked Costo again yesterday, the shelves were empty of rice
>>>> as usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans though, LOL. Rice prices
>>>> are very high and if I'm not mistaken, it has already triple for the
>>>> year.
>>> What we are seeing is the result of deciding to grind up food (corn, ...
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Author: Norminn
Date: Apr 25, 2008 02:58

sonofagun@nonetoday.com wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:34:06 -0700 (PDT), jtnospam@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>>The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
>>chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out...
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Author: Norminn
Date: Apr 25, 2008 03:08

clipped
>>>But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains,
>>>corn,
>>>and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't imagine that
>>>stuff fed to anything but livestock.
...
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Author: HeyBub
Date: Apr 25, 2008 04:20

aspasia wrote:
>
> Or rather corn ethanol demand was craftily engineered by influential
> agribusinessmen in certain "heartland" states, shoveling out their
> contributions to our beloved Congress-whores. They did not care what
> ripple effects this would create in the Third World, where people are
> now starving. Effects even felt in our neighbor to the South, where
> the price of corn went through the ceiling, affecting tortillas -- a
> standard food, like wheat bread in the States.

There has never been a famine in a democracy.
>
> Nobody bothered to check with knowledgeable scientists as to the state
> of ethanol fuel technology . Not that it would have deterred the
> cynical profiteers if they *had* run the science. (Incidentally, there
> are so many crops that would be far better, with less downside, for
> fuel technology, leading off with marijuana's little cousin, hemp. It
> grows on any soil, reseeds itself, costs virtually nothing to produce.
> Even Brazil, that was using sugar cane waste, is reconsidering the
> technology.)
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Author: Evelyn C. Leeper
Date: Apr 25, 2008 05:29

Frank wrote:
>> U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat. Sam's Club is
>> rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain, white rice is cheaper
>> than dirt - take as much as you want.
>
> That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either at the
> local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or other type of
> rice. I'd checked Costco again yesterday, the shelves were empty of rice as
> usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans though, LOL. Rice prices are
> very high and if I'm not mistaken, it has already triple for the year.

It could be that the "true" shortage is of varietal rice (basmati and
jasmine are what I heard), but when people started hearing this, there
was a run on all kinds of rice.

Note that there is a difference between a shortage and a huge price
increase. One can have the former without the latter.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
All art at some time and in some manner becomes mass entertainment,
and if it does not it dies and is forgotten. --Raymond Chandler
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Author: George
Date: Apr 25, 2008 05:46

HeyBub wrote:
> aspasia wrote:
>> Or rather corn ethanol demand was craftily engineered by influential
>> agribusinessmen in certain "heartland" states, shoveling out their
>> contributions to our beloved Congress-whores. They did not care what
>> ripple effects this would create in the Third World, where people are
>> now starving. Effects even felt in our neighbor to the South, where
>> the price of corn went through the ceiling, affecting tortillas -- a
>> standard food, like wheat bread in the States.
>
> There has never been a famine in a democracy.
>
>> Nobody bothered to check with knowledgeable scientists as to the state
>> of ethanol fuel technology . Not that it would have deterred the
>> cynical profiteers if they *had* run the science. (Incidentally, there
>> are so many crops that would be far better, with less downside, for
>> fuel technology, leading off with marijuana's little cousin, hemp. It
>> grows on any soil, reseeds itself, costs virtually nothing to produce.
>> Even Brazil, that was using sugar cane waste, is reconsidering the
>> technology.) ...
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Date: Apr 25, 2008 09:38

"Norminn" earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> clipped
>
>>>>But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains,
>>>>corn,
>>>>and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't imagine
>>>>that
>>>>stuff fed to anything but livestock.
>>>>
>>> The low carb craze has increased grain demands by increasing demand for
>>>livestock. Ethanol demand came in time to rescue grain farmers from the
>>>decline of the low carb craze.
>>>
>>
>>Wow. Eating a healthy diet is now a "craze"? You are aware that the hog
>>fattening diet is exactly the same as the USDA's food pyramid except for
>>one more serving of grain, right? Yeah, eating grain is good for you.
>>Right. That's why so many Americans are orca fat.
> I've never paid attention to diet crazes, so I'm not conversant in the ...
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Author: Cindy Hamilton
Date: Apr 25, 2008 10:42

On Apr 24, 2:57 pm, wrote:
> But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains, corn,
> and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't imagine that
> stuff fed to anything but livestock.

Of course. What ivory tower do you live in? Carbohydrates are the
staple
food of millions of Americans.

Mmmm. Nice chewy, crusty bread. With real butter.

Cindy Hamilton
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Re: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.         


Author: Seerialmom
Date: Apr 25, 2008 10:45

On Apr 25, 9:44 am, wrote:
> "Norminn" earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> clipped
>
>>>>>But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains,
>>>>>corn,
>>>>>and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't imagine
>>>>>that
>>>>>stuff fed to anything but livestock.
>
>>>> The low carb craze has increased grain demands by increasing demand for
>>>>livestock.  Ethanol demand came in time to rescue grain farmers from the
>>>>decline of the low carb craze. ...
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