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Author: Ron ShepardRon Shepard
Date: Sep 5, 2006 22:21
In article leto.cc.emory.edu>,
lparker@emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote:
> And anything that gets more economy on ethanol will get even more on
> gasoline,
> as it has more energy. So what's the incentive to use ethanol?
You keep missing two important points.
1) the octane rating is higher for ethanol than for gasoline. This
means you can design the engine to use higher compression ratios
and/or more turbo boost, which means the carnot cycle is more
efficient.
2) alcohols can be made with renewable technology, so burning them
does not increase green house carbon dioxide.
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Author: Bill FunkBill Funk
Date: Sep 5, 2006 18:24
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:33:41 +0100, Eeyore
REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Do you know who CAIR is?
>
>Yes.
>
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>> I can only assume not, by the "Do go on..".
>
>Wrong. I want to know what your point is. Spit it out man !
>
>Graham
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Author: Bill FunkBill Funk
Date: Sep 5, 2006 18:21
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:28:26 +0100, Eeyore
REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Bill Funk wrote:
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>> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:39:00 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
>>>Bill Funk wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:37:04 +0100, Eeyore
>>>> REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com...
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Author: bsr3997bsr3997
Date: Sep 5, 2006 18:20
Eeyore wrote:
>> Eeyore wrote:
>>> daestrom wrote:
>>>> "Eeyore" REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote>>>>> daestrom wrote:
>>>>>> "Eeyore" REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote>>>>>>> Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Increasing engine compression ratios and advancing ignition timing
>>>>>>>>>will go a long way to reduce the 31.8 %% ethanol shortfall.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, but that changes things like knock, not energy content.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It also changes *efficiency* you clot ! Higher CRs improve
>>>>>>> *efficiency*, so less
>>>>>>> of the energy content is wasted ! This means that suitably designed ...
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Author: EeyoreEeyore
Date: Sep 5, 2006 17:46
> Eeyore wrote:
>> daestrom wrote:
>>> "Eeyore" REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote>>>> daestrom wrote:
>>>>> "Eeyore" REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com...
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Author: bsr3997bsr3997
Date: Sep 5, 2006 17:40
Eeyore wrote:
> daestrom wrote:
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>> "Eeyore" REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote>>> daestrom wrote:
>>>> "Eeyore" REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote>>>>> Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>>>>>>Increasing engine compression ratios and advancing ignition timing
>>>>>>>will go a long way to reduce the 31.8 %% ethanol shortfall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but that changes things like knock, not energy content.
>>>>>
>>>>> It also changes *efficiency* you clot ! Higher CRs improve
>>>>> *efficiency*, so less
>>>>> of the energy content is wasted ! This means that suitably designed
>>>>> engines using
>>>>> E85 can nearly equal the mpg of gasoline engines ( and produce more ...
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Author: Floyd RogersFloyd Rogers
Date: Sep 5, 2006 14:19
"Eeyore" REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote> Bill Funk wrote:
>> You show your ignorance of current events.
>
> No-one coverted in reality. Islam in fact honours freedom of religious
> practice.
Umm, no, not really. In ancient days, you could either convert, or
become a 2nd class citizen. And, in fact, Islam only accorded *only*
Jews and Christians 2nd class rights, and only insofar as they didn't
object to Muslim rule. Pagans were always forced to convert
or become slaves. Proselytizing Christians were executed, as were
any convertees.
FloydR
BTW, you're close to my plonking you for your continued trollness.
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Author: daestromdaestrom
Date: Sep 5, 2006 14:05
>>
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>>Lloyd Parker wrote:
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>>>>Increasing engine compression ratios and advancing ignition timing will
>>>>go a long way to reduce the 31.8 %% ethanol shortfall.
>>>
>>> Sorry, but that changes things like knock, not energy content.
>>
>>It also changes *efficiency* you clot ! Higher CRs improve *efficiency*,
>>so
> less
>>of the energy content is wasted ! ...
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Author: daestromdaestrom
Date: Sep 5, 2006 14:02
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> Lloyd Parker wrote:
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>>>Increasing engine compression ratios and advancing ignition timing will
>>>go a long way to reduce the 31.8 %% ethanol shortfall.
>>
>> Sorry, but that changes things like knock, not energy content.
>
> It also changes *efficiency* you clot ! Higher CRs improve *efficiency*,
> so less
> of the energy content is wasted ! This means that suitably designed
> engines using
> E85 can nearly equal the mpg of gasoline engines ( and produce more power
> into the ...
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Author: daestromdaestrom
Date: Sep 5, 2006 14:00
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> Lloyd Parker wrote:
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>> Some of the people here are advocates for ethanol, and it sounds like
>> they're
>> being paid to do so.
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> I wish I was !
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>> They dismiss any studies or data which doesn't make it
>> seem like the answer to all our prayers. If that's not you, I apologize.
>
> Most US studies are pure drivel based only on corn which is a poor choice
> to make
> bio-ethanol anyway !
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