> Eeyore wrote:

>> a_plutonium@hotmail.com wrote:
>>

>>> But here in the USA with our petrol
>>> based farming, we spend about 1.5 gallons of petrol just to get 1
>>> gallon of ethanol.

>>
>> Thta is simply plain wrong.
>>
>> Graham

>
> Unfortunately not. Most studies show the EROEI for ethanol to
> hover around 1. Perhaps a little positive, perhaps a little negative.
> Ethanol is never going to amount to much, and it certainly will
> never come close to replacing oil as it now stands in our
> economy. Oil has an EROEI of between 10-100:1.
>
> Cellulistic ethanol is another loser, as the 'waste' is normally
> plant remains that would be used or plowed back into the field. ...

> Eeyore wrote:

>> pomerado@hotmail.com wrote:
>>

>>> LongmuirG wrote:

>>>> Dirk Bruere went off the rails:

>>>>> And how do you cost in the subsidy oil gets through having to maintain a

> ...

> pomerado@hotmail.com wrote:
>

>> LongmuirG wrote:

>>> Dirk Bruere went off the rails:

>>>> And how do you cost in the subsidy oil gets through having to maintain a
>>>> huge military to ensure continuity of supply?

>>>
>>> Let's see -- Japan depends on imports for ~100% of its fossil fuels,
>>> including oil. Next time you see Japan's huge military flexing its
>>> muscles in an oil producing country, be sure to alert the New York
>>> Times; they like to report that kind of thing.

>>
>> Japan depends on our military to keep its oil imports flowing.

>
> Now do please exlain that gem of wisdom !