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My ebony doesn't look like ebony...         


Author: mark
Date: Apr 1, 2008 20:31

Greetings All,
I have some Ebony that I want to use to replicate the look of pegged
joinery. I have sanded and polished through the ranges of sandpaper upto
600. The ebony still has a brownish tint to it. I'm trying to get the same
look as the deep black as seen in Greene & Greene
furniture. There are a few articles this month in a couple of the wwing mags
about Greene & Greene and their work. Cool stuff indeed. Am I missing a
step or something to get that polished black look??? TIA, Mark
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Re: My ebony doesn't look like ebony...         


Author: RicodJour
Date: Apr 1, 2008 20:53

On Apr 1, 11:31 pm, "mark" Nowhere.com> wrote:
> Greetings All,
> I have some Ebony that I want to use to replicate the look of pegged
> joinery. I have sanded and polished through the ranges of sandpaper upto
> 600. The ebony still has a brownish tint to it. I'm trying to get the same
> look as the deep black as seen in Greene & Greene
> furniture. There are a few articles this month in a couple of the wwing mags
> about Greene & Greene and their work. Cool stuff indeed. Am I missing a
> step or something to get that polished black look??? TIA, Mark

What does it look like when you wipe it with alcohol or mineral
spirits?

R
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Re: My ebony doesn't look like ebony...         


Author: nailshooter41
Date: Apr 1, 2008 22:38

>> I have some Ebony that I want to use to replicate the look of pegged
>> joinery. I have sanded and polished through the ranges of sandpaper upto
>> 600. The ebony still has a brownish tint to it. I'm trying to get the same
>> look as the deep black as seen in Greene & Greene
>> furniture.

Well, the G & G stuff was made when ebony was ebony. There are many
different kinds of ebony, from many different areas. G&G used what is
considered "musical grade" ebony that was used in clarinets, oboes,
etc. for years. For many different reasons, you likely don't have
that stuff. It is jet black everywhere, and simply planing it makes
it shine.

It is hard, beautiful, and looks like a piece of phenolic. I have a
small piece that is 2"x3/4"x18" I bought about 7 years ago, and even
then I paid about $35 for it knowing it was likely to be the only
piece of genuine musical grade African ebony I would ever hold.

What you have is probably Gabon or even more likely Macassar ebony.
All pen turners (including myself) are familiar with this stuff as it
is now all we can get. It is pretty, but known for that brown stripe
and muddy black color.
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Re: My ebony doesn't look like ebony...         


Author: Lew Hodgett
Date: Apr 1, 2008 23:03

aol.com> wrote:
> Well, the G & G stuff was made when ebony was ebony. There are many
> different kinds of ebony, from many different areas. G&G used what
> is
> considered "musical grade" ebony that was used in clarinets, oboes,
> etc. for years. For many different reasons, you likely don't have
> that stuff. It is jet black everywhere, and simply planing it makes
> it shine.

There was a PBS special covering the "African Black Wood" used for
clarinets.

Like a lot of other things it is becoming VERY scarce.

You will be bidding against the instrument makers world wide to get
some.

Hope you piggy bank is large and full, you're going to need it.

Suspect you are getting something other than true ebony.

Some suppliers like to be, shall we say a little sneaky, like the ones
who try to pass off "African Mahogany" as honest Honduras Mahogany.

Lew
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Re: My ebony doesn't look like ebony...         


Author: Joe
Date: Apr 1, 2008 23:19

On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:31:25 -0500, mark wrote:
> Greetings All,
> I have some Ebony that I want to use to replicate the look of pegged
> joinery. I have sanded and polished through the ranges of sandpaper
> upto 600. The ebony still has a brownish tint to it. I'm trying to get
> the same look as the deep black as seen in Greene & Greene furniture.
> There are a few articles this month in a couple of the wwing mags about
> Greene & Greene and their work. Cool stuff indeed. Am I missing a step
> or something to get that polished black look??? TIA, Mark

Ebony is a generic name for wood species with very dark or black
heartwood. African and Indian ebony are common species.

Quality suppliers still carry black Gabon Ebony, the highest quality
product. It is considered endangered.

Gabon Ebony Diospyros crassiflora is usually black or grey with yellowish
white sapwood, Brazilian Ebony is brown, Mun Ebony is brown, Black &
White Ebony is Brown, Macassar Ebony can be brown or black. Diospyros
celebica and diospyros melanoxylon is striped black & brown (From my
usual suppliers and purchasing experience, YMMV)
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Re: My ebony doesn't look like ebony...         


Author: J. Clarke
Date: Apr 2, 2008 02:49

Lew Hodgett wrote:
> aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, the G & G stuff was made when ebony was ebony. There are
>> many
>> different kinds of ebony, from many different areas. G&G used what
>> is
>> considered "musical grade" ebony that was used in clarinets, oboes,
>> etc. for years. For many different reasons, you likely don't have
>> that stuff. It is jet black everywhere, and simply planing it
>> makes
>> it shine.
>
> There was a PBS special covering the "African Black Wood" used for
> clarinets.
>
> Like a lot of other things it is becoming VERY scarce.
>
> You will be bidding against the instrument makers world wide to get
> some. ...
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Re: My ebony doesn't look like ebony...         


Author: marierdj
Date: Apr 2, 2008 04:09

"Joe" hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2f-dnd-9g7EeuG7anZ2dnUVZ_hjinZ2d@earthlink.com...
> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:31:25 -0500, mark wrote:
>
>> Greetings All,
>> I have some Ebony that I want to use to replicate the look of pegged
>> joinery. I have sanded and polished through the ranges of sandpaper
>> upto 600. The ebony still has a brownish tint to it. I'm trying to get
>> the same look as the deep black as seen in Greene & Greene furniture.
>> There are a few articles this month in a couple of the wwing mags about
>> Greene & Greene and their work. Cool stuff indeed. Am I missing a step
>> or something to get that polished black look??? TIA, Mark
>
> Ebony is a generic name for wood species with very dark or black
> heartwood. African and Indian ebony are common species.
>
> Quality suppliers still carry black Gabon Ebony, the highest quality
> product. It is considered endangered.
>
> Gabon Ebony Diospyros crassiflora is usually black or grey with yellowish ...
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Re: My ebony doesn't look like ebony...         


Author: Andy Dingley
Date: Apr 2, 2008 07:25

On 2 Apr, 04:31, "mark" Nowhere.com> wrote:
> The ebony still has a brownish tint to it. I'm trying to get the same
> look as the deep black as seen in Greene & Greene furniture.

You can't get the same quality of ebony these days.

* Use old ebony. Some of mine used to be clarinets.

* Use African Blackwood instead. Maybe not as good as good ebony, but
it's better than modern bad ebony.

* Use ebonised hard maple. Not quite as good close-up, but it avoids
these endangered tropicals.
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Re: My ebony doesn't look like ebony...         


Author: Leon
Date: Apr 2, 2008 07:42

"mark" Nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:b6DIj.9120$Rq1.5788@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> Greetings All,
> I have some Ebony that I want to use to replicate the look of pegged
> joinery. I have sanded and polished through the ranges of sandpaper upto
> 600. The ebony still has a brownish tint to it. I'm trying to get the
> same look as the deep black as seen in Greene & Greene
> furniture. There are a few articles this month in a couple of the wwing
> mags about Greene & Greene and their work. Cool stuff indeed. Am I
> missing a step or something to get that polished black look??? TIA, Mark
>

Which Ebony did you buy, and or you may have gotten a piece with sap wood.
Like Oak there are several verities.

http://www.woodfinder.com/woods/brown_ebony.php

http://www.woodfinder.com/woods/ebony_gaboon.php

http://www.woodfinder.com/woods/ebony_macassar.php
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Re: My ebony doesn't look like ebony...         


Author: Father Haskell
Date: Apr 2, 2008 11:08

On Apr 1, 11:31 pm, "mark" Nowhere.com> wrote:
> Greetings All,
> I have some Ebony that I want to use to replicate the look of pegged
> joinery. I have sanded and polished through the ranges of sandpaper upto
> 600. The ebony still has a brownish tint to it. I'm trying to get the same
> look as the deep black as seen in Greene & Greene
> furniture. There are a few articles this month in a couple of the wwing mags
> about Greene & Greene and their work. Cool stuff indeed. Am I missing a
> step or something to get that polished black look??? TIA, Mark

Dye it. I haven't seen a black ebony fretboard in 30 years that
wasn't dyed.

Old piano keyboards might be a good source of ebony
--
and some nice ivory veneer as a bonus.
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