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Author: bentbent Date: Jun 17, 2008 07:55
Is there a good chemical for helping to remove a few layers of Minwax
Helmsman Spar Urethane clear Satin finish that may be one to several years
old. For my 20 year old summer pine picnic table. Every other year or so I
scape and sand, sometimes to bare wood on a great portion, but its always a
hassle, iirc the book Understand by Flexner talks about a chemical for
removal of finish like this this and I think the main chemical component is
MEK (methyl ethyl ketone), but I forget the details. I believe it was said
to be unobtainable, but I do think I have seen some form of this chemical
component in a variety of things, like pvc or abs glue for a guess, and I
have always thought of finding out if there is some way to get me a good
stripper for this job one day. Ok, I checked, the "Oatey ABS Cement" says
"Contains Methyl ethyl ketone", and the "Oatey PVC Cement" says "Contains
Methyl ethyl ketone, Tetrahydrofuran, PVC Resin, Cyclohexanone. I have
never tried either of these, and don't know what would happen. I have tried
but anything chemical I have ever tried has always fallen short of being
advantageous, sort of dissolves but can't cut it. So for the dozenth time I
have a cabinet scaper (still can't sharpn it yet), paint scraper, putty
knife, sand paper (by hand and 1/3 sheet vibration m/c). I have learned over
the years that the liquid chlorine (~$10/ 50L from the pool store) does a
good job of bleaching white any of the bare wood that has darkened, possibly ...
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Author: nailshooter41nailshooter41 Date: Jun 17, 2008 09:40
On Jun 17, 12:55 am, "bent" rogers.com> wrote:
> Is there a good chemical for helping to remove a few layers of Minwax
> Helmsman Spar Urethane clear Satin finish that may be one to several years
> old. For my 20 year old summer pine picnic table. Every other year or so I
> scape and sand, sometimes to bare wood on a great portion, but its always a
> hassle, iirc the book Understand by Flexner talks about a chemical for
> removal of finish like this this and I think the main chemical component is
> MEK (methyl ethyl ketone), but I forget the details. I believe it was said
> to be unobtainable, but I do think I have seen some form of this chemical
> component in a variety of things, like pvc or abs glue for a guess, and I
> have always thought of finding out if there is some way to get me a good
> stripper for this job one day. Ok, I checked, the "Oatey ABS Cement" says
> "Contains Methyl ethyl ketone", and the "Oatey PVC Cement" says "Contains
> Methyl ethyl ketone, Tetrahydrofuran, PVC Resin, Cyclohexanone. I have
> never tried either of these, and don't know what would happen. I have tried
> but anything chemical I have ever tried has always fallen short of being
> advantageous, sort of dissolves but can't cut it. So for the dozenth time I
> have a cabinet scaper (still can't sharpn it yet), paint scraper, putty
> knife, sand paper (by hand and 1/3 sheet vibration m/c). I have learned over
> the years that the liquid chlorine (~$10/ 50L from the pool store) does a ...
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Author: Lew HodgettLew Hodgett Date: Jun 17, 2008 09:57
"bent" wrote:
> Is there a good chemical for helping to remove a few layers of
> Minwax
> Helmsman Spar Urethane clear Satin finish that may be one to several
> years
> old.
Your basic paint remover is basically Sodium Hydroxide (Noah) AKA:
"Caustic", with an inert carrier.
It should be neutralized when finished with acid, usually phosphoric,
and finally water..
If you not careful, caustic will soften the pulpy part of the wood
being cleaned. Don't leave on and forget about it.
I'd start with so 60 grit to cut thru the dirt and the bulk of the
varnish, then use NaOH.
The commercial paint removers will have a carrier to hold them in
place.
Apply with a chip brush.
BTW, SFWIW, acetone is probably the most powerful of all the keytones.
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Author: ransleyransley Date: Jun 17, 2008 13:30
On Jun 17, 12:55 am, "bent" rogers.com> wrote:
> Is there a good chemical for helping to remove a few layers of Minwax
> Helmsman Spar Urethane clear Satin finish that may be one to several years
> old. For my 20 year old summer pine picnic table. Every other year or so I
> scape and sand, sometimes to bare wood on a great portion, but its always a
> hassle, iirc the book Understand by Flexner talks about a chemical for
> removal of finish like this this and I think the main chemical component is
> MEK (methyl ethyl ketone), but I forget the details. I believe it was said
> to be unobtainable, but I do think I have seen some form of this chemical
> component in a variety of things, like pvc or abs glue for a guess, and I
> have always thought of finding out if there is some way to get me a good
> stripper for this job one day. Ok, I checked, the "Oatey ABS Cement" says
> "Contains Methyl ethyl ketone", and the "Oatey PVC Cement" says "Contains
> Methyl ethyl ketone, Tetrahydrofuran, PVC Resin, Cyclohexanone. I have
> never tried either of these, and don't know what would happen. I have tried
> but anything chemical I have ever tried has always fallen short of being
> advantageous, sort of dissolves but can't cut it. So for the dozenth time I
> have a cabinet scaper (still can't sharpn it yet), paint scraper, putty
> knife, sand paper (by hand and 1/3 sheet vibration m/c). I have learned over
> the years that the liquid chlorine (~$10/ 50L from the pool store) does a ...
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Author: J. ClarkeJ. Clarke Date: Jun 17, 2008 13:08
bent wrote:
> Is there a good chemical for helping to remove a few layers of
> Minwax
> Helmsman Spar Urethane clear Satin finish that may be one to several
> years
> old. For my 20 year old summer pine picnic table. Every other year
> or
> so I
> scape and sand, sometimes to bare wood on a great portion, but its
> always a
> hassle, iirc the book Understand by Flexner talks about a chemical
> for
> removal of finish like this this and I think the main chemical
> component is
> MEK (methyl ethyl ketone), but I forget the details. I believe it
> was
> said
> to be unobtainable, but I do think I have seen some form of this
> chemical
> component in a variety of things, like pvc or abs glue for a guess, ...
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Author: Scott LurndalScott Lurndal Date: Jun 17, 2008 21:49
"Lew Hodgett" verizon.net> writes:
>"bent" wrote:
>
>> Is there a good chemical for helping to remove a few layers of
>> Minwax
>> Helmsman Spar Urethane clear Satin finish that may be one to several
>> years
>> old.
>
>
>Your basic paint remover is basically Sodium Hydroxide (Noah) AKA:
NaOH.
scott
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Author: Lew HodgettLew Hodgett Date: Jun 17, 2008 22:12
"Scott Lurndal" wrote:
> NaOH.
Chalk it up to the spell checker, it nwas late and it got me
Lew
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Author: nailshooter41nailshooter41 Date: Jun 17, 2008 23:47
On Jun 17, 2:57 am, "Lew Hodgett" verizon.net> wrote:
> Your basic paint remover is basically Sodium Hydroxide (Noah) AKA:
> "Caustic", with an inert carrier.
I have a commercially available stripper that is favored by the
aircraft industry to strip mutiple coats of Imron and other high
performance coatings.
It is a deadly concoction of Sodium Hydroxide, MEK, Acetone, some kind
of Benzine, Alcohol, and other goodies. It is the nastiest stuff I
have used to date, available to commercial accounts only. It will
actually eat into lower quality latex gloves.
I was using it to strip a door that had a couple of coats of spar,
then a couple of coats of poly on top of that. It ate through in one
coat of stripper in a lot of places!
I brushed against the door when I was coating it and got that stuff on
myself. I felt it burn a bit, but thought "as soon as I coat this
side and cover, I'll rinse it off". Fifteen minutes later I had a
burn on my arm that was surprisingly bad, and I couldn't get it to
stop burning. A couple of days later the skin fell off, and I still
have a scar today to remind me to be more careful.
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Author: Lew HodgettLew Hodgett Date: Jun 18, 2008 00:18
aol.com> wrote:
> I have a commercially available stripper that is favored by the
> aircraft industry to strip mutiple coats of Imron and other high
> performance coatings.
>
> It is a deadly concoction of Sodium Hydroxide, MEK, Acetone, some
> kind
> of Benzine, Alcohol, and other goodies. It is the nastiest stuff I
> have used to date, available to commercial accounts only. It will
> actually eat into lower quality latex gloves.
"Benzene" is enough to get the stuff restricted.
Way back when, Rochester Products offered a carb cleaner to clean up a
gummed up carb.
Remove the air cleaner and pour it right down the carb while running
at a fast idle.
Did a great job cleaning carbs, but oh the effects on the environment.
Lew
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Author: BaronBaron Date: Jun 18, 2008 02:42
> Is there a good chemical for helping to remove a few layers of Minwax
> Helmsman Spar Urethane clear Satin finish that may be one to several years
> old. For my 20 year old summer pine picnic table. Every other year or so I
> scape and sand, sometimes to bare wood on a great portion, but its always
> a hassle, iirc the book Understand by Flexner talks about a chemical for
> removal of finish like this this and I think the main chemical component
> is MEK (methyl ethyl ketone), but I forget the details. I believe it was
> said to be unobtainable, but I do think I have seen some form of this
> chemical component in a variety of things, like pvc or abs glue for a
> guess, and I have always thought of finding out if there is some way to
> get me a good stripper for this job one day. Ok, I checked, the "Oatey ABS
> Cement" says "Contains Methyl ethyl ketone", and the "Oatey PVC Cement"
> says "Contains Methyl ethyl ketone, Tetrahydrofuran, PVC Resin,
> Cyclohexanone. I have never tried either of these, and don't know what
> would happen. I have tried but anything chemical I have ever tried has
> always fallen short of being advantageous, sort of dissolves but can't cut
> it. So for the dozenth time I have a cabinet scaper (still can't sharpn
> it yet), paint scraper, putty knife, sand paper (by hand and 1/3 sheet ...
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