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Author: Radium
Date: Sep 3, 2007 20:03

Hi:

Clipping in an audio signal results when an audio device receives a
signal that is too loud. The audio signal distorts into square-waves
because the "tops" of the signal are flattened. The device cannot
handle power levels over a certain level. When this level is exceeded,
clipping occurs. Clipping is usually harsher in digital devices than
in analog devices. Analog clipping tends to be fuzzy and soft compared
to digital clipping.

What is the visual-equivalent of "clipping"? Is there a difference
between analog and digital in terms of visual-clipping? If so, what is
the difference?

Auditory-clipping can damage speakers. Can visual-"clipping" damage
monitors?

Thanks,

Radium
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Re: Visual "clipping"?         


Author: isw
Date: Sep 3, 2007 20:27

In article <1188874984.222039.197660@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
Radium gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Clipping in an audio signal results when an audio device receives a
> signal that is too loud. The audio signal distorts into square-waves
> because the "tops" of the signal are flattened. The device cannot
> handle power levels over a certain level. When this level is exceeded,
> clipping occurs. Clipping is usually harsher in digital devices than
> in analog devices. Analog clipping tends to be fuzzy and soft compared
> to digital clipping.
>
> What is the visual-equivalent of "clipping"? Is there a difference
> between analog and digital in terms of visual-clipping? If so, what is
> the difference?

Clipping causes whites lose all texture -- very similar to overexposed
film.
> Auditory-clipping can damage speakers. Can visual-"clipping" damage
> monitors?
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Re: Visual "clipping"?         


Author: Radium
Date: Sep 3, 2007 21:07

On Sep 3, 8:27 pm, isw witzend.com> wrote:
> In article <1188874984.222039.197...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
> Radium gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi:
>> Clipping in an audio signal results when an audio device receives a
>> signal that is too loud. The audio signal distorts into square-waves
>> because the "tops" of the signal are flattened. The device cannot
>> handle power levels over a certain level. When this level is exceeded,
>> clipping occurs. Clipping is usually harsher in digital devices than
>> in analog devices. Analog clipping tends to be fuzzy and soft compared
>> to digital clipping.
>> What is the visual-equivalent of "clipping"? Is there a difference
>> between analog and digital in terms of visual-clipping? If so, what is
>> the difference?
> Clipping causes whites lose all texture -- very similar to overexposed
> film.

What does this look like on a screen?
>> Auditory-clipping can damage speakers. Can visual-"clipping" damage
>> monitors?
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Re: Visual "clipping"?         


Author: Richard Crowley
Date: Sep 3, 2007 21:25

"isw" wrote ...
> Radium wrote:
>> Auditory-clipping can damage speakers. Can visual-"clipping" damage
>> monitors?
>
> No. Prolonged blacks can damage television transmitters, however (video
> is inverted for transmission, so black requires full power from the
> transmitter).

Prolonged bright areas (whether clipped or not) will damage CRT
monitors. I have two on the bench right now to have their CRTs
replaced because the image is burned-in. They came from a
security/survelience application and you can somewhat see the
hallway and the doors they were monitoring.
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Re: Visual "clipping"?         


Author: Matt Ion
Date: Sep 3, 2007 21:31

Radium wrote:
> On Sep 3, 8:27 pm, isw witzend.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <1188874984.222039.197...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
>
>> Radium gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Hi:
>
>>> Clipping in an audio signal results when an audio device receives a
>>> signal that is too loud. The audio signal distorts into square-waves
>>> because the "tops" of the signal are flattened. The device cannot
>>> handle power levels over a certain level. When this level is exceeded,
>>> clipping occurs. Clipping is usually harsher in digital devices than
>>> in analog devices. Analog clipping tends to be fuzzy and soft compared
>>> to digital clipping.
>
>>> What is the visual-equivalent of "clipping"? Is there a difference
>>> between analog and digital in terms of visual-clipping? If so, what is
>>> the difference? ...
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Re: Visual "clipping"?         


Author: Matt Ion
Date: Sep 3, 2007 21:33

Richard Crowley wrote:
> "isw" wrote ...
>> Radium wrote:
>>> Auditory-clipping can damage speakers. Can visual-"clipping" damage
>>> monitors?
>> No. Prolonged blacks can damage television transmitters, however (video
>> is inverted for transmission, so black requires full power from the
>> transmitter).
>
> Prolonged bright areas (whether clipped or not) will damage CRT
> monitors. I have two on the bench right now to have their CRTs
> replaced because the image is burned-in. They came from a
> security/survelience application and you can somewhat see the
> hallway and the doors they were monitoring.

ANY static image for a prolonged time will cause burn-in on a CRT or
plasma display. The brighter it is, the less time it takes, but it
doesn't have to be pure white for burn to occur. Simply displaying 100%%
white won't cause instant death of a monitor, however, the way a clipped
signal can damage a speaker.
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Re: Visual "clipping"?         


Author: Radium
Date: Sep 3, 2007 21:46

On Sep 3, 9:25 pm, "Richard Crowley" xp7rt.net> wrote:
> Prolonged bright areas (whether clipped or not) will damage CRT
> monitors.

Can damage occur to a CRT/Plasma/LCD monitor from an area that is
extremely-bright for an extremely short time? Let's say one attempts
to force 2400 lumens of light-intensity out of an area of the monitor
for around 5 seconds. What damage would affect that region of the
screen?

Warning! Crazy scenarios are presented below. None-the-less I still
find them interesting:

Try to force 100,000,000 lumens out of a square-shaped, pinky-finger-
sized area of an LCD monitor. Now what would happen? Would the organic
material present in that area catch fire?

For an acoustic-analogy, let's say one tries to force a 400,000 Hz,
144 dB sine-wave tone out of a Bose loudspeaker. The result: a very
expensive fire. The plastics/paper in the speaker would likely ignite.
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Re: Visual "clipping"?         


Author: Matt Ion
Date: Sep 3, 2007 22:01

Radium wrote:
> On Sep 3, 9:25 pm, "Richard Crowley" xp7rt.net> wrote:
>
>> Prolonged bright areas (whether clipped or not) will damage CRT
>> monitors.
>
> Can damage occur to a CRT/Plasma/LCD monitor from an area that is
> extremely-bright for an extremely short time? Let's say one attempts
> to force 2400 lumens of light-intensity out of an area of the monitor
> for around 5 seconds. What damage would affect that region of the
> screen?

Ummm, probably none, as the output would be limited by the drive systems
of the display. The only thing you could "force" into it would be a
high-voltage video signal, which would fry the input circuitry, but
probably not a lot else.

To extend the analogy to audio, your speaker would have its own built-in
amp with limited output power; you can't "force" it to output more power
into the speaker.
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Re: Visual "clipping"?         


Author: Ron N.
Date: Sep 3, 2007 22:39

On Sep 3, 9:07 pm, Radium gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 3, 8:27 pm, isw witzend.com> wrote:
>>> What is the visual-equivalent of "clipping"? Is there a difference
>>> between analog and digital in terms of visual-clipping? If so, what is
>>> the difference?
>> Clipping causes whites lose all texture -- very similar to overexposed
>> film.
>
> What does this look like on a screen?

If you can find an old analog TV or monitor, just turn up the contrast
control way too high. All the greys darker than a certain level
become black, all the greys lighter than a certain level become
white. Information is lost.
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Re: Visual "clipping"?         


Author: Martin Heffels
Date: Sep 3, 2007 23:23

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 04:31:27 GMT, Matt Ion gmail.com> wrote:
>NOT ON A TRANSMITTER. Yeesh. Did you actually read that paragraph AT
>ALL???

Usually he only reads half. Get used to the phenomenon "Radium".

-m-
--
Official website "Jonah's Quid" http://www.jonahsquids.co.uk
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