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Author: Markku GrönroosMarkku Grönroos Date: Jun 15, 2008 03:48
Japanese company Genepax has developed an automobile which is running at
80km/h for an hour by a litre of H2O. Is this time to salute oil producing
arabs and European tax collectors by middle fingers up?
Toyota has built a car which travel more than 800 kilometres by 150 litres
of hydrogen.
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Author: Runge12Runge12 Date: Jun 15, 2008 05:31
Cmon michaelnawpoort and co !
Finally tired of your own behavior ?
"Markku Grönroos" a écrit dans le message de
news:ls65k.18238$_03.4739@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> Japanese company Genepax has developed an automobile which is running at
> 80km/h for an hour by a litre of H2O. Is this time to salute oil producing
> arabs and European tax collectors by middle fingers up?
>
> Toyota has built a car which travel more than 800 kilometres by 150 litres
> of hydrogen.
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Author: Markku GrönroosMarkku Grönroos Date: Jun 15, 2008 06:19
"Wolfgang Schwanke" kirjoitti
viestissä:6bkie8F3c86f2U4@mid.uni-berlin.de...
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> The problem is, when you break down water into its components, you have
> to put in as much energy as you later hope to extract. There's no way
> around this. The unexplained "MEA" process must use some unmentioned
>
Alright then spoilsport. But are you quite certain about this? No way around
this by contemporary tools? But perhaps contemporary theories support the
idea of it's positive economy in future.
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Author: James SilvertonJames Silverton Date: Jun 15, 2008 06:21
Wolfgang wrote on 15 Jun 2008 13:06:16 GMT:
>> Japanese company Genepax has developed an automobile which is
>> running at 80km/h for an hour by a litre of H2O. Is this time
>> to salute oil producing arabs and European tax collectors by
>> middle fingers up?
> Sounds bullshit. Water contains no exploitable chemical
> energy.
I guess some promoters or history majors have again repealed the First
Law of Thermodynamics: you can't get something for nothing!
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
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Author: Bert HymanBert Hyman Date: Jun 15, 2008 07:03
In news:6bkl6lF3c4e79U2@mid.uni-berlin.de Wolfgang Schwanke
wrote:
> Martin wrote in
> news:0c5a54tqq279vr05cfslscj58u2e6mdbuh@4ax.com:
> >>>Sounds bullshit. Water contains no exploitable chemical energy.
>>
>> Not even hydrogen?
>
> To extract the hydrogen, you have to rip up the water molecules. That
> costs energy. You have to input the exact same amount of energy which
> you get back when you burn the hxdrogen later.
If you have an abundant energy source that's not useable for some
purpose, converting that energy into a form suitable for use can make
sense, even if there's a net loss.
Converting coal into electricity to make hydrogen for fuel would make
sense when you can't burn coal in your car or bus directly.
Why this in a European travel group is beyond me, but heck, this is
USENET.
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Author: Runge12Runge12 Date: Jun 15, 2008 07:08
aaaah martin was just waiting for one to pound on it !!!
"Martin" a écrit dans le message de
news:767a54d4f8tgbp7aknhre0f8aoolpul3q9@4ax.com...> On 15 Jun 2008 13:43:48 GMT, Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
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>>Markku Grönroos...
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Author: Runge12Runge12 Date: Jun 15, 2008 07:09
Yeah martin attaboy !
So long you didn't try to lengthen OT threads
Get on it !
"Martin" a écrit dans le message de
news:c48a545campvl1v1vcocti72it1pkl0c82@4ax.com...> On 15 Jun 2008 13:53:25 GMT, Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
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>>Martin
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Author: Runge12Runge12 Date: Jun 15, 2008 07:10
No it's rec travel europe, where a bunch of old bored men chitchat
Travellers, keep aside.
"Bert Hyman" iphouse.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:Xns9ABE5C2BB319AVeebleFetzer@216.250.184.7...> In news:6bkl6lF3c4e79U2@mid.uni-berlin.de Wolfgang Schwanke
> wrote:
>...
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Author: poldypoldy Date: Jun 15, 2008 09:46
In article ,
Bert Hyman iphouse.com> wrote:
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> If you have an abundant energy source that's not useable for some
> purpose, converting that energy into a form suitable for use can make
> sense, even if there's a net loss.
Like corn ethanol.
>
> Converting coal into electricity to make hydrogen for fuel would make
> sense when you can't burn coal in your car or bus directly.
Well, a lot of interest in alternate fuels for cars comes from wanting
to reduce carbon emissions so burning more coal wouldn't meet that goal.
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Author: poldypoldy Date: Jun 15, 2008 09:51
In article <6bklmoF3c4e79U4@mid.uni-berlin.de>,
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
> Martin wrote in
> news:767a54d4f8tgbp7aknhre0f8aoolpul3q9@4ax.com:
> >> It's mechanism for transporting energy, not creating it.
>
> Yes, but they aren't telling where they provide the energy they wish to
> transport. They give the impression it's in the water, but that can't
> be true.
Weren't the claims for cold fusion similar?
Speaking of, they've been talking about fusion for ages. No
breakthrough in sight?
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