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A difficult language or a stupid people or poor standards in education?         


Author: Markku Grönroos
Date: Jun 15, 2008 02:17

The Observer reveals that it takes about three years for English pupils to
learn to read in English fluently. Finnish children learn to read fluently
in Finnish in three months.
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Nothing else to say apart from OT crap ?         


Author: Runge12
Date: Jun 15, 2008 02:23

"Markku Grönroos" a écrit dans le message de
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> The Observer reveals that it takes about three years for English pupils to
> learn to read in English fluently. Finnish children learn to read fluently
> in Finnish in three months.
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scRunge is Stupid and Difficult...         


Author: Gregory Morrow
Date: Jun 15, 2008 10:21

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I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious         


Author: Runge12
Date: Jun 15, 2008 11:26

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> But we know all that...
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> Best
> Greg
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> " I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim
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Re: A difficult language or a stupid people or poor standards in education?         


Author: Tom P
Date: Jun 15, 2008 14:54

Markku Grönroos wrote:
> The Observer reveals that it takes about three years for English pupils
> to learn to read in English fluently. Finnish children learn to read
> fluently in Finnish in three months.
That's probably because written Finnish is phonetic, whereas written
English only remotely resembles the spoken language.
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Re: A difficult language or a stupid people or poor standards in education?         


Author: James Silverton
Date: Jun 15, 2008 16:31

Martin wrote on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:05:55 +0200:
>> Markku Grönroos wrote:
>>> The Observer reveals that it takes about three years for
>>> English pupils to learn to read in English fluently. Finnish
>>> children learn to read fluently in Finnish in three months.
>> That's probably because written Finnish is phonetic, whereas
>> written English only remotely resembles the spoken language.
> I learnt to read in about a year. I wasn't an infant prodigy
> just another two class room village school kid.

I started school in a one-room school ( 5 to 11 yrs old) and was writing
after three months. We then left for a more standard system and I had to
learn again. However, I was reading when I was seven and I still
remember my 7th birthday when I could register at the public library. I
even remember the first book I took out, "Ferdinand the Bull". I'd have
to search for the author!

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
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Re: A difficult language or a stupid people or poor standards in education?         


Author: Runge12
Date: Jun 15, 2008 21:35

Oh how exciting !

"James Silverton" a écrit dans le message de
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> Martin wrote on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:05:55 +0200:
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>>> Markku Grönroos wrote:
>...
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Re: A difficult language or a stupid people or poor standards in education?         


Author: Irwell
Date: Jun 16, 2008 08:15

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:02:18 +0200, Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:31:39 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:
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>> Martin wrote on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:05:55 +0200:
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>>>> Markku Grönroos wrote:
>>>>> The Observer...
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Re: A difficult language or a stupid people or poor standards in education?         


Author: raktravel
Date: Jul 3, 2008 16:11

On Jun 15, 10:17 am, Markku Grönroos wrote:
> The Observer reveals that it takes about three years for English pupils to
> learn to read in English fluently. Finnish children learn to read fluently
> in Finnish in three months.

Apart from education standards and stupid (or not) people, there are
some
other factors.
- School starts at age 5 in the UK and I think at age 7 in Finland
(according to Wikipedia), and perhaps 7 year olds are more able to
pick it up quickly.
- English spelling is not phonetic and not easy
- I think that English has a much larger vocabulary than any other
European language (I read once than it was bigger than the next 3 Euro
languages combined)
- The UK now has huge numbers of immigrants whose kids arive at school
not speaking English (not that all the natives are much good at it
either!). Perhaps that is less of an issue in Finland?
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Re: A difficult language or a stupid people or poor standards in education?         


Author: tim.....
Date: Jul 4, 2008 08:32

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