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Author: Brian K
Date: Jun 12, 2008 10:34

Tom,

Thank you for your lengthy but very informative and entertaining review
of QM2. I see now that I made a major mistake turning my sister, Karen,
down on her offer to join her on a freebie crossing. I thought I'd be
faced with endless hours of looking at ocean and reading paperbacks.
Boy did I goof! I have one minor correction and two comments to make. I
hope you won't take offense. A ship's horn is called it's whistle. I
don't know why. Maybe from the early days of steam iron clad ships? The
comment about the upper deck. Negative Space, that not filled with
anything, can be very freeing. This is especially so for those who do
want to spend endless hours watching the ocean.

Being an "old salt" practically raised aboard fishing charter boats
you'd probably find me out on the promenade deck. I'd be in all sorts of
weather. I've also had charge of the 37 ft.charter's wheel too. I've
been out there even in rough weather; it gave me something to do out
beyond the sight of the coast.

All said, yours is a great review of the QM2. Again thank you.

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On 6/10/2008 10:13 PM Tom K plucked Senior Frog's Magic Twanger and said:
> (hope there aren't too many typos... but here goes - kinda long)
>
> --Tom
>
>
> Cruise Review
> Queen Mary 2
> 6 Night Westbound Transatlantic Crossing
> June 2, 2008
> Southampton to NYC
>
> --Why.
>
> Last August, Linda and our 2 kids did a Transatlantic Crossing on the Queen
> Mary 2, and they all loved the ship. When they got back, Linda said that
> since I love ships so much, I needed to try the QM2.
>
> In February 2008, I booked a 3 day/4 night mini sailing on the QM2. We had
> 2 days at sea and 1 day at Princess Cay in the Bahamas.
>
> The QM2 isn't a traditional Caribbean type cruise ship. She's as much a
> history and art museum. There are a lot of exhibits on the ship detailing
> the history of Cunard, of transatlantic crossing in the past, and of ocean
> liners in general. Spending 2 days on her wasn't enough time to explore
> much of the ship. So I decided to do a Transatlantic Crossing on her and
> invited some friends.
>
> --Who.
>
> I invited fellow r.t.c.'r Charles and my co-worker Bill. Bill brought his
> son Michael, who had just graduated from college (Elon University in NC).
> My son Jonathan, who attends NYU, spent his spring semester in Berlin. His
> classes finished a few days before our sailing, so I asked him if he'd
> rather fly home or go with us. He opted to sail with us.
>
> In addition, we met r.t.c'r Mark(SF) and his friend Steve on board. They
> had actually joined the ship immediately after completing a sailing on the
> QE2. We had lunch and pre dinner drinks with them a few day.
>
> --Logistics.
>
> Our sailing departed on Monday June 2. Since it's kind of difficult to
> catch up with the ship at the next port if you miss the departure of a
> Transatlantic Crossing, we decided to fly in a day early, on Saturday, and
> then spend Sunday enjoying London.
>
> We booked a morning flight from Newark to Heathrow on Saturday. That would
> put is in London around 8:00 pm Saturday Evening. I had done that before
> for another cruise, and think that it helps reduce the impact of jetlag. We
> searched the internet for one way flights, and ended up getting them (on
> Virgin Atlantic) through Cunard. They were actually about $300 cheaper
> through Cunard ($500 vs. $800). We did pay an extra $75 (deviation fee) to
> ensure non-stops and the morning flight. We also purchased transfers from
> Cunard to get us from Heathrow to Southampton. It's over an hour ride.
>
> Since we would arrive late in the evening on Saturday, and had to catch the
> bus from the airport early Monday, we chose to stay at the Crown Plaza hotel
> near the airport.
>
> --Airport Check In... (uh, oh, this ain't good)
>
> Upon arriving at Newark, we immediately learned that our 8:00 am Virgin
> Atlantic flight was cancelled due to mechanical problems. They were
> scrambling to get everyone re-booked. At first they talked about taking us
> to JFK for a 9:00 am flight, but ended up putting all 4 of us on another
> 8:00 am flight from Newark on British Airways. We ended up on the last row
> on a 767. But we got on. Many others didn't. Some went to JFK for evening
> flights. Our plane actually had 5 empty seats, so they could have gotten
> more on. Upon arriving in London we got our luggage, and promptly waited 45
> minutes for the shuttle to the hotel.
>
> Checking in, we did have some problems getting no smoking rooms. but in the
> end, after a few trips to the check in desk, we all did. We caught a light
> dinner and went to bed. Jonathan would bring his luggage (4 months worth,
> including his computer and printer) and meet us at the hotel on Sunday. I
> packed formal wear, a second jacket and slacks, bathing suit, and other
> clothing for the ship for him, and brought it in a second suit case with me.
> Between us, we had a lot of luggage.
>
> The next morning, Charles and I headed off to London early. Bill and
> Michael stayed in bed longer and headed into town later. Charles and I took
> the underground to Tower Bridge, and then took a Thames River boat from
> there to Westminster. From there we walked up to Covent Garden. We hit one
> pub for drinks, and another for dinner. We even found a cell phone store
> that sold unlocked cell phones (Motorola) for £14 British (about $28). We
> also bought SIM cards for £5 that we used to call home with. We'll be able
> to use them on future trips to Europe by purchasing new SIM cards with
> minutes included. At least, that's the plan.
>
> Getting back to the hotel in the evening, Jonathan met us there (though
> originally I didn't see his luggage in my room so I panicked thinking he
> wasn't there - but they wouldn't let him put is luggage in my room for
> "security reasons"). We had drinks that evening in the lounge and went to
> sleep.
>
> Monday morning we met for breakfast and caught the shuttle to the airport
> around 9:00, where we met the Cunard representative. We waited almost an
> hour for the bus, and spent another hour or so going to 2 other terminal
> building before driving to Southampton. Upon arriving at Southampton, we
> saw glimpses of the QM2 as we made turns around the small streets near the
> pier. You never really get a good view of the ship, either in Southampton
> or NYC, like you would in ports in the Caribbean, Alaska or Europe. When he
> did his first crossing, Jonathan commented that. "it never felt like a ship,
> because you never really get to see the ship, as a ship". In Bermuda,
> Barbados, Antigua, and other ports around the world, you walk off and back
> onto your ship. It looks like a ship. But with a crossing you never really
> get to see your ship as a ship, since you never get off it.
>
> Boarding took less than 20 minutes to check in. They took our obligatory
> embarkation photo and we were off to the ship.
>
> --Ship layout, Cabins, etc.
>
> The Queen Mary 2 has a somewhat different design as far as decks from most
> other ship. Since she is primarily an ocean liner, they were able to get an
> exemption allowing her life boats to be located higher up (in terms of feet
> from the water line) than allowed per regulations. This allows for 3 decks
> of cabins with balconies to be placed below the life boats / promenade deck.
> These are called sheltered balconies. They are "inside the hull" like on
> the Sun Princess class ships and the early Voyager class ships. They look
> down to the ocean. There are also 5 decks of balcony cabins above the life
> boats, 1 of which has balconies partially obstructed by lifeboats. The
> balconies above the life boats have glass facings, and extend out from the
> super structure, like on the Grand Princess and newer Voyager class ships.
> Since the superstructure is indented from the lower hull, these balconies
> look down at lifeboats, not directly down to the ocean. Jonathan and I had
> a balcony cabin on Deck 5.
>
> Cabins are nice size. They seem about a foot wider than similar balcony
> cabins on Voyager Class ships (the only other ships comparably sized), most
> noticeable when walking around the beds. Also noticeable are more closet
> space than Voyager ships, and the bathrooms are larger - and nicely tiled.
> Showers are also more spacious.
>
> Deck 7 is the Promenade deck. There is a full wrap around promenade, with
> some access to the front of the ship (though not the tip of the bow). The
> promenade has no steps like on some ships. 3 Times around equals 1 mile.
> There are several spare propeller blades mounted like artwork out by the
> bow. The promenade has hundreds of "steamer lounge chairs" with green
> padding. However, our sailing was much too windy and wet to use them until
> the last morning in NYC after we had docked.
>
> The top decks 13 and 12 are primarily teak decking and have a solarium pool
> area, a large helicopter landing area, and a small outside pool. There are
> hot tubs in the solarium and near the outside pool. Near the front are
> basketball courts on both sides of the ship. Aft of the funnel (which
> incidentally was supposed to be much higher in the original design, but had
> to be shortened to allow it to fit under the Verrazano Bridge - it has 15
> ft. of clearance) is more open decking. The ship doesn't have the
> traditional large pool area with hundreds of deck chairs. With 40-50 knot
> winds the entire sailing the upper decks were closed off for almost the
> entire crossing. There are aft pools on the tiered stern on decks 6 and 8.
> We saw kids on one of the pools the day we embarked. That was it. The only
> pool and hot tubs that were used were the ones in the solarium.
>
> In addition to the outside promenade, Deck 7 has (from front to back) the
> Canyon Ranch Spa , the large Winter Garden lounge (where the art auctions
> are held), the buffet restaurants and the Grill Class dining rooms.
>
> Decks 2 and 3 are the major public decks. They contain the lobby, the
> shops, the Golden Lion Pub, the Chart Room lounge, Wine Bar, Champagne Bar,
> Coffee Bar, Casino, Computer Center, the Britannia Restaurant, and the 2
> large theaters, Royal Court and Illuminations. The planetarium is located
> inside Illuminations. Aft of the Britannia restaurant is the Queens Room -
> the large ball room, and behind it, the G32 night club, named after the hull
> number that the ship was assigned at the Chantier de L'Atlantique ship yard
> in France where she was built.
>
> While most of the ship is knock down dead gorgeous, Decks 2 and 3 have areas
> where the most hideous (but how do you really feel about them?) plastic
> paneling was installed. It depicts the 4 seasons. but the paneling is
> totally out of place, in my opinion, and made out of cheap looking plastic.
> To me, it almost looks like Joe Farcus sat there and held his breath unless
> they would let him have at least one small area on the ship to design. and
> that's what they gave him.
>
> In the front of the ship on Deck 9 is the Commodore Club (for martinis). On
> Deck 8 is the Library and Book Store. Deck 11 has an outside observation
> area overlooking the bow, and the small inside Atlantic Room.
>
> There are oil paintings of famous Cunard ships all over the Queen Mary 2. I
> love the artwork on her. There are a number of paintings by Stephen Card,
> but I like those by Gordon Bauwens more. Especially his painting of the
> Caronia in Stairway A.
>
> --Maritime Quest.
>
> The ship has 4 elevator / stairway banks, designated A, B, C and D. In the
> open areas of the elevator banks, and along the outside areas of the bow on
> decks 2 and 3 there are panels depicting ocean liner and Cunard history.
> This is called Maritime Quest. There are panels showing famous former
> Cunard passengers like Laurel and Hardy, Helen Keller, Jackie and Bobby
> Kennedy, Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis, Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall,
> General Eisenhower, and Winston Churchill.
>
> There are also panels showing old Cunard advertisements, topics of history.
> like in the early days when they had live cows and live chickens on ships
> for fresh milk and fresh eggs prior to refrigeration. You can spend days
> reading about the history of Cunard and Transatlantic crossings.
>
> --Food and Dining.
>
> In our cabin categories (low level balcony for me, insides for Charles and
> Bill), we were assigned the Britannia Dining Room. We had a table for 6
> (for the 5 of us) on the upper level, overlooking the central area. We took
> late dining, but in the end, it didn't work out for all of us. Bill and
> Michael eventually switched to early dining - Bill didn't want to go to bed
> with a full stomach. The Britannia has open seating for breakfast and
> lunch. The Britannia club offers open seating in one section of the
> Britannia restaurant for dinner.
>
> On two nights we made reservations for the specialty restaurants, one night
> at Todd English, and one night at Chef's Galley (which is kind of like
> "Emeril Live" at sea).
>
> The buffet dining room (King's Court) is actually comprised of several
> sections, each devoted to different types of foods. Lotus features Asian
> cuisine. La Piazza is for Italian and Pizza. There is a Carvery. Chef's
> Galley is also in the King's Court area. These are open for breakfast,
> lunch, dinner and midnight snacks. Seating is along the sides with large
> windows providing views of the promenade and the ocean.
>
> The Gold Lion Pub offers British Pub style lunches (bangers and mashers,
> shepherd's pie, steak and mushroom pie, fish & chips, etc.)
>
> For the hoity toity, there are the Princess Grill and the Queen's Grill.
>
> On our Presidents Weekend sailing in February, Todd English was totally
> booked by the time we got on the ship. So this time, as soon as we boarded
> I did a reservation for both Todd English and Chef's Galley. Chef's Galley
> is done as a sort of Emeril Live at Sea. They do a cooking demonstration
> each night at 7:00, and the 6 or so tables are served the same meal as the
> chef prepared in front of you (though chefs in kitchens behind prepare what
> is actually served to passengers). The nights have different themes. One
> night was Asian, another was French, and another Italian. We chose the
> Italian night.
>
> I think the food in the dining room was as good as the food in Todd English.
> In fact I thought the dining room had better fish - I had the sea bass in
> Todd English, and wasn't crazy about it. Though the crab cake in Todd
> English was the best I've had, and the mandarin orange crème Brule was
> probably the best dessert that I've ever had. Charles and Jonathan gave
> high marks to the fillet mignon and the veal at Todd English.
>
> As I previously said, we chose Italian night in Chef's Galley. Attending
> the live cooking demonstration was one of the big highlights of the sailing
> for me. The chef prepared a shrimp appetizer, a pasta course of linguini
> and meatballs, and a main course of stuffed chicken on polenta with a beef
> stock & red wine sauce. I think the chicken on polenta was the best entrée
> I had all week.
>
> Some of the better entrees I had in the dining room were the cod the first
> evening and the beef Wellington the 5th evening. Jonathan especially loved
> the Caesar salad that you could get each evening.
>
> At the end of the sailing in the dining room the waiter/waitress give you a
> souvenir set of dinner menus for the entire week. Nice touch.
>
> I've read and heard that Cunard doesn't have good service. After 2 sailings
> I couldn't disagree more. Our 2 waitress in the dining room have been top
> notch. In fact Nina, our waitress from February has been promoted to Queen's
> Grill.
>
> --Dress.
>
> Cunard is Dress. If you don't like dressing up. Don't Go. Out of our 6
> evenings, the first and last were elegant casual - requiring jacket (but no
> tie). 3 Were Formal. 1 Was Semi-Formal - jacket and tie. Most people
> stayed dressed up for the entire evening. I even saw people in tuxes in the
> computer center at night, and in the buffet for midnight snacks.
>
> --Shops.
>
> In addition to the Logo Shop (which includes some items from Harrow's) there
> are a number of high end shops on board, including Armani, Hermes, etc.
> They had a nice "QM2 Transatlantic Crossing 2008" logo golf shirt. I got
> one in white. Lots of other QM2 merchandise as well.
>
> --Route / Voyage.
>
> Obviously, the route is from Southampton to New York. But not so simple.
> Ships are a bit limited in terms of where they can go. Looking at a
> navigation chart, there are places in the ocean with banks that are too
> close to the surface for ships to safely navigate across. The English
> Channel and Celtic Sea are such places. So are The Grand Banks of
> Newfoundland and George's Bank off Cape Cod.
>
> Sailing from our pier in Southampton, first we sailed past the QE 2 at her
> dock. We exchanged greetings with our horns. Then the ship sails down the
> Solent heading south-west and around the west side of the Isle of Wight. It
> then heads south east toward and into the shipping lanes, and then sails
> eastward out past Lands End (the south east tip of England) and the Isles of
> Scilly.
>
> Once into deep water it begins the first of the two "Great Circle Routes".
> They use this term because the shortest round viewed on a globe looks like
> an arc when depicted on a flat map or chart. The first "Great Circle" ends
> at the south tip of the Grand Banks, where the ship passed 15 miles south of
> the location where Titanic sank in April 1912. From there the ship begins
> it's second (smaller) more easterly "Great Circle" ending at the entrance to
> the shipping lanes south of Long Island/Nantucket into New York Harbor.
>
> For our sailing, we had 4 calm days, with seas in the 4-10 ft. range. But
> we had one day sailing through a storm. While I didn't hear the noon
> announcement, I would guess the waves were in the 15-25 ft. range.
>
> I got the following coordinates from my GPS:
>
> Southampton:
> N 50' 54
> W001' 25
>
> Beginning of First Great Circle (south of Ireland):
> N 48'58
> W010'54
>
> End of First Great Circle (at southern tip of Grand Banks), and beginning of
> Second Great Circle:
> N 41' 30
> W048' 51
>
> End of Second Great Circle (entrance to shipping lanes into NYC):
> N 40'52
> W066'46
>
> NYC (Brooklyn Pier):
> N 40' 41
> W074' 01
>
> --On-Board Activities.
>
> Ok. so you have 5 days and 6 nights at sea. what to do?
>
> The outside decks have 40-50 knot winds. The North Atlantic tends to be
> cool and rainy. So you're not going to spend 6 hours by the pool getting a
> tan. Even the promenade deck was virtually useless the entire sailing. Too
> windy. Too wet. Too cold. This isn't sailing 4 knots between St. Thomas
> and St. Maarten. You're doing 25-30 knots on the North Atlantic. Some days
> are calm and other days you're looking at 15-25 ft. waves.
>
> So. since the outside areas of the ship are off limits (due to the weather).
> everything has to happen inside the ship.
>
> There are lectures. On our sailing, John Maxtone-Graham, noted maritime
> historian spoke each day between 11:15 and 12:15 in the Royal Court Theater.
> He was great. We attended is talks each day. There were other lectures by
> noted authorities on forensics (they talked about the JFK assassination, and
> the OJ trial), and on World War 2 history.
>
> Inside Illuminations they hold theatrical performances, but the most popular
> activity there is the planetarium. There is a large dome that is lowered,
> and 150 seats totally recline. Shows last about 25 minutes, and are
> repeated every 30 minutes in the afternoon. Performances in German and
> French are also given.
>
> Other activities include: wine tasting, single malt Scotch whisky tasting,
> afternoon tea in the Queens Room or in the buffet (with English scones,
> raspberry jam and whipped cream), piano recitals, trivia, bingo, art
> auctions, and the ever present bazaar type tables with inches of gold, old
> tee shirts at half price, 50%% off watches, etc.
>
> The casino tends toward the quiet side. One night was smoke free.
>
> The computer center has things like Excel training, and Rosetta Stone CD's
> if you wanted to start learning a foreign language.
>
> There is a lot to do on board. but to be totally honest. after about 2 days.
> I wanted a Port. I'd have taken even one of my less favorite ports. like
> Jamaica or Trinidad. Oh, well.
>
> Next time on the QM2. I'm thinking Northern Europe. Maybe the Fjords - my
> favorite itinerary. Maybe the Baltic's - love Copenhagen. Maybe the
> British Isles (golfing in Ireland and Scotland). I did a future booking to
> get a cabin credit, but left it as an open booking, not picking a date or
> itinerary.
>
> Have to study the brochures. see what we come up with for next year.
>
> --Odds and Ends.
>
> Tipping is handled automatically by adding $11 per day per person onto the
> shipboard account.
>
> The upstairs section of the Royal Court Theater doesn't have a wrap around
> aisleway. you need to climb over people to get to the top and far rows. not
> a good design.
>
> The downstairs section of the Royal Court Theater has temporary seats
> between the permanent rows of seats. Not a very good design IMO.
>
> The upper deck has a lot of wasted space. I'd like to see them add another
> covered pool. The solarium is too small.
>
> The care of the ship it top notch.
>
> Announcements are kept to a minimum. The commodore does a noon
> announcement.
>
> Internet out in the middle of the Atlantic can be a bit "iffy" at times.
> Initially they use British satellites, and later English satellites. Even
> the TV programming changes at that point.
>
> Candles - several evenings in the dining room, we had lit candles on our
> tables. First time I've seen that.
>
> There are Self Service Laundry facilities on board. In fact, most decks had
> an inside cabin with washers, driers, and ironing boards.
>
> Photographs and Cruise DVD's are more expensive than or Royal Caribbean, but
> alcoholic drink prices seemed cheaper. The ship has Stella Artouis, Becks,
> Bass Ale and Guinness on draft.
>
> I'm probably missing a hundred things, but Charles and Mark(SF) will most
> assuredly provide more insight than I've given here.
>
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