"Ned" aioe.org> wrote in message news:fgbma5$o3v$2@aioe.org...

Kwyjibo wrote:

No, because the changes haven't resulted in any increase in safety.

Sylvia.

Kwyjibo wrote:

Those four plane crashes were, in my opinion, not accidents, but
deliberate and pre-meditated acts of suicide and murder. To me, that
would explain why those did not make the list.

"Arnold Sten" nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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Ahh, but the title of the article is "Ten Plane *Crashes* That Changed
Aviation", not "Ten Plane *Accidents* That Changed Aviation".
No reason for them to be excluded, given the massive changes to aviation
that resulted worldwide.

On Oct 31, 11:31 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:

I'd argue that there have been significant increases in safety
since those attacks. I'll go so far as to predict that there will
be no more succesful airliner hijackings in the rest of my lifetime.

But the reason has absolutely nothing to do with the government's
many actions. They could stop screening passengers entirely,
and hijackings still wouldn't be feasible.

rcochran@lanset.com wrote:

Arnold Sten wrote:

Perhaps that Cypriot 737 that crashed in Greece should be considered an
important one. Not because of failure of pressurisation system, but
because the politicians, after 9-11, mandated a hurried implementation
of the locked cockpit door system which proved fatal in the Cypriot 737
crash since the remaining conscious crewmember was prevented from
entering the cockpit to save the situation until the door unlocked when
fuel ran out, but by then, it was too late.

There is also the issue of aircraft wiring. It wasn't a single
accident/crash that changed aviation, but rather realisation after a
number of incidents that aircraft wiring was a big problem. And in the
case of the UA 747 near Hawaii, the conclusion was changed years later
from human error to faulty aircraft wiring. TWA800 and SR111 were the
more obvious accidents.

"Sylvia Else" wrote

What difference does it make, how the lack of future hijackings came about?
If it is increased security, stronger cockpit doors, or more vigilant
passengers, the change produces the same result. I think the 9-11 change
should be at the very top of the list. No credit should go to the airlines,
though. All the credit is due the passengers.

"Nobody" nobody.org> wrote

Hard to argue that, but I think it is important because of the style of
reconstructive investigation that grew from figuring out the crashes. It is
the standard that all modern investigations grew from.

No, because those crashes were not unintentional. There was no failure
of technology or pilot error involved.

David Johnson