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Author: RoCoachRoCoach Date: May 30, 2008 05:02
On May 29, 7:18 pm, bookie hotmail.com> wrote:>> To assume that you should take into account every
>> conceivable contingency is ludicrous, and ultimately(even
>> insignificantly though it may be), is a burden that you're asking boat
>> makers to assume, at little to no charge. Quite honestly, there's no
>> demand for it, and as such, being in a free capitalist market, they
>> are not necessitated to fulfill a need that does not exist. I will not
>> stop you from encouraging boat makers to seal bulkheads - but don't do
>> it out of some conspiracy theory that boat makers are somehow turning
>> their noses up at pining cries of rowers dying in the water. Boat
>> makers live & die based on their customers. If their customers don't
>> ask for something, they don't make it.
>
> hmmmm, let us ask a boatbuilder to see if he is prepared to make fully-
> buoyant boats and fulfil a market which apparantly does not exist, for
> which there is apparantly no demand,....
>
> carl? over to you (although obviously this chap from over the pond
> seems to know much more about the vagaries of boatbuilding and selling
> than you do, or so he thinks!).... ...
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Author: causticmeatloafcausticmeatloaf Date: May 30, 2008 05:38
On May 29, 7:18 pm, bookie hotmail.com> wrote:>> To assume that you should take into account every
>> conceivable contingency is ludicrous, and ultimately(even
>> insignificantly though it may be), is a burden that you're asking boat
>> makers to assume, at little to no charge. Quite honestly, there's no
>> demand for it, and as such, being in a free capitalist market, they
>> are not necessitated to fulfill a need that does not exist. I will not
>> stop you from encouraging boat makers to seal bulkheads - but don't do
>> it out of some conspiracy theory that boat makers are somehow turning
>> their noses up at pining cries of rowers dying in the water. Boat
>> makers live & die based on their customers. If their customers don't
>> ask for something, they don't make it.
>
> hmmmm, let us ask a boatbuilder to see if he is prepared to make fully-
> buoyant boats and fulfil a market which apparantly does not exist, for
> which there is apparantly no demand,....
>
> carl? over to you (although obviously this chap from over the pond
> seems to know much more about the vagaries of boatbuilding and selling
> than you do, or so he thinks!).... ...
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Author: causticmeatloafcausticmeatloaf Date: May 30, 2008 05:43
> On May 29, 7:18 pm, bookie hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> To assume that you should take into account every
>>> conceivable contingency is ludicrous, and ultimately(even
>>> insignificantly though it may be), is a burden that you're asking boat
>>> makers to assume, at little to no charge. Quite honestly, there's no
>>> demand for it, and as such, being in a free capitalist market, they
>>> are not necessitated to fulfill a need that does not exist. I will not
>>> stop you from encouraging boat makers to seal bulkheads - but don't do
>>> it out of some conspiracy theory that boat makers are somehow turning
>>> their noses up at pining cries of rowers dying in the water. Boat
>>> makers live & die based on their customers. If their customers don't
>>> ask for something, they don't make it.
>
>> hmmmm, let us ask a boatbuilder to see if he is prepared to make fully-
>> buoyant boats and fulfil a market which apparantly does not exist, for
>> which there is apparantly no demand,.... ...
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Author: causticmeatloafcausticmeatloaf Date: May 30, 2008 06:00
On May 29, 7:08 pm, bookie hotmail.com> wrote:> On May 29, 7:26 pm, RoCo...@ gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> >> I really don't know how to respond. This is what some idiot named
>> "Caustic" has posted in the US wrt to the NSR swampings and the
>> discussion it prompted:
>
>> "Just this morning at practice, one of our master's men's 4s swamped.
>> So, keep that in mind when I write this.
>
>> Rowing deaths are by far the exception. Over the last 100 years of
>> rowing, with hundreds of thousands of rowers, the actual deaths
>> attributed to rowing are less than 200. That's over a CENTURY of
>> rowing. The odds of dying from a rowing incident are less than being
>> struck by lightning. Rowing is safer than driving your car, flying an
>> airplane, and even chewing gum!
>
>> With that in mind, is it really worth it to increase the safety of the ...
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Author: causticmeatloafcausticmeatloaf Date: May 30, 2008 06:09
On May 29, 5:20 pm, "Mike Sullivan" slacSNIP.stanford.edu>
wrote:>> On May 29, 12:10 pm, Carl Douglas carldouglas.co.uk> wrote:>
>>> That's an arrogant, know-nothing fool who:
>
>>> 1. Doesn't understand statistics when spouting about numbers of rowing
>>> deaths.
>>> 2. Doesn't understand that rowing deaths are heavily under-reported &
>>> under-recorded.
>>> 3. Never met someone who lost a son or daughter because the boat sank.
>>> 4. Doesn't understand that conditions may change from good to deadly
>>> without warning. Nor that you may have no way to get home first
>>> 5. Doesn't want boats that always float (which costs nothing), bleats on ...
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Author: KCKC Date: May 30, 2008 06:18
bookie wrote:
>
> i am not really a fan of americans at the best of times and this guy
> is really not improving my view of them as a nation, sorry chaps
> (shakes head in despair)
>
Well, isn't that nice? I'm not really a fan of people who group and
stereotype, nor who can't capitalize proper nouns nor initial letters of
sentences.
Not really a fan of Americans, eh? That's really closed minded and
narrow-viewed of you. There are 301 million of us, that's quite a large
number of people you've just lumped together. I know a lot of Americans
(rather, USA citizens) who speak in terms like that: "I don't like
French people" or "I'm not a fan of Muslims" or "English are all
pretentious." I can't stand people who talk in those terms, American or
otherwise. Thanks for identifying yourself as one of "them."
I'm not really a fan of Iran's government, but several of the most
wonderful people I know are from Iran. I sure as heck am not going to
lump them with their leaders.
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Author: KCKC Date: May 30, 2008 06:27
>
> Get real. If it's so simple, cheap, and easy, and necessary, then
> people will ask their boatmakers for it. Wait a second.....what's that
> sound?...Sounds like crickets.
All of your arguments I've heard applied to countless other endeavors:
seat belts in cars, bicycle helmets, motorcycle helmets, life-vests
while boating (powered or otherwise). Virtually every time, the
individual on the soap box is uneducated in the matters in which he/she
speaks.
The point here is that you are right on one count: the boat makers will
build fully-buoyant boats when the customers demand it.
The task then, is to educate the rowing public on the importance of full
buoyancy in their boats, so that the demand becomes large enough to make
the manufacturers act.
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Author: Mike SullivanMike Sullivan Date: May 30, 2008 07:52
"Charles Carroll" comcast.net> wrote in message
news:0MWdnSwnqaTJyaLVnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@comcast.com...> Mike -
>
> The summer before last at OWRC I arrived one morning to find a kid all
> fitted out an ready to go. His shell was at the dock. The sculls were in
> the oarlocks. Ellen asked if I would mind going out with him. That's how I
> found out that it is in OWRC's rules that no one under 18 years is allowed
> to go out by themselves. Immediately I said yes, and we had a good time.
>
> You can drive up the road a few miles to the Marin Rowing Club where the
> water is much nicer. There they let kids go out by themselves.
This depends on the program and situation and training.
I would not let a kid row by themselves at Clear Lake in January.
I could set up a situation where kids who've been trained can row
millions of miles on their own in the summer at Clear Lake or much of the
year at BIAC. It depends on how you define 'supervision'.
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Author: Mike SullivanMike Sullivan Date: May 30, 2008 08:00
> On May 29, 5:20 pm, "Mike Sullivan" slacSNIP.stanford.edu>
> wrote:
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>> Would it surprise you to know that some boats called safety launches
>> aren't?
>
> To which I would ask why? Was it purchased out of expediency? Was it
> originally intended for its current purpose? Is the person using it
> qualified? Or should we just ignore all these questions and sue the
> boatmaker because his boat may or may not be used in a way it was
> intended? Has it been properly maintained, and if not, why? Is that
> answer acceptable to remove culpability?
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Author: Christopher KerrChristopher Kerr Date: May 30, 2008 08:21
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>
> Yet apparently I understand capitalism better than you. In short -
> merchants offer products and services to satisfy an existing demand in
> the marketplace. AT BEST, the demand for buoyancy is very new, and
> thus unsatisfied. At best. In reality, the demand is not great. If the
> demand is not great, then few manufacturers will try to satisfy it, as
> it is not worth their time. Yes, even if it only takes a day. Even if
> it only costs $300. Simply put, people have known about the FISA rules
> for, literally, YEARS now. Yet no one is asking boat makers to
> actually make it a standard feature of their boats. Like I said - boat
> makers live & die based on what their customers say. When a large
> college drops a boat maker, they feel it in their pocketbook.
>
>
> Cretin, imbecile, whatever- it doesn't matter what ad hominem attack
> you mount on me - The rules of the marketplace are unfortunately
> dispassionate and unable to be denied. There is no conspiracy to deny
> people a rightful buoyant boat - there just doesn't exist enough ...
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