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Author: Brian WestleyBrian Westley
Date: Jan 31, 2008 12:32
I think it's pretty clear-cut that requiring a god-oath IS
religious discrimination, and (like in the US) the core issue is
whether the Scout Association can practice religious discrimination,
and that if it can, that it properly identify itself as a religious
organisation that requires members to believe in a god (or maybe
more):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/31/nscout131.xml
Scout's oath 'is religious discrimination'
By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
The Scout Association has been reported to the equality watchdog for
allegedly discriminating against atheists by making them swear an oath
to God.
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Members in Britain, where there are nearly half a million scouts, have
to promise to "do their best to do their duty to God and to the
Queen", to help other people and to keep Scout law.
To accomodate the movement's 28 million members around the world, the
words can be modified to encompass non-Christian faiths.
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Author: Brian WestleyBrian Westley
Date: Jan 20, 2008 18:41
Michael orneveien.org> writes:
>On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:53:36 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
>> The Pike's Peak council is dishonestly trying to use programs that
>> do not meet the HUD requirements for programs they will pay for.
>Well, that's for a court to decide.
And for people to discuss. I actually called the Pike's Peak
council and asked if atheists can join the programs paid for
by HUD grant money, and they said no. That's dishonest and
illegal on the face of it.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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Author: Emma PeaseEmma Pease
Date: Jan 19, 2008 14:17
In article orneveien.org>, Michael wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:56:16 -0800, Marc wrote:
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>> I don't really see how this is relevant to anything; moreover I don't
>> see
>> how it's true. As of the 2000 census (since those are the most
>> comprehensive numbers) Colorado Springs had a median household income of
>> $45,081, lower than average for the state of Colorado and only a little
>> more than the average for the United States as a whole.
>>
>> It's certainly nowhere near as wealthy as, say, Brookline, Massachusetts
>> or San Francisco. Compared to what is it "extremely wealthy"? Nebraska?
>
> My official home town website says median family income is $33K; compared
> to which a median income of $45K is doing mighty well. (Different sources
> do cite different family median income).
>
> Below I paste and cite quite a lot which I don't know that you will read,
> but it speaks directly to this issue -- a group that has both secular and
> non-secular reasons for existing, can it receive government subsidy? The ...
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Author: JTEMJTEM
Date: Jan 18, 2008 23:47
Michael orneveien.org> wrote:
> Below I paste and cite quite a lot which I don't know
> that you will read, but it speaks directly to this issue
This "Issue" has been beaten to death -- in the courts --
by the BSA itself. They won't take atheists. They won't
take gay kids. They are constantly stuffing their pockets
with taxpayer money.
They are parasites.
The call themselves a private religious group
-- with a
"right" to discriminate -- and yet they also demand
government money TAKEN FROM EVERYONE.
Yes, even from the families of the people they discriminate
against.
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Author: JTEMJTEM
Date: Jan 18, 2008 20:37
Michael orneveien.org> wrote:
> Colorado Springs is a *wealthy* community; extremely
> wealthy.
....so you'd think that if they wanted to discriminate, they
could afford to do it on their own dime, instead of at taxpayer
expense.
Amazing, isn't it?
These people are so evil that they want to steal the money they
use to shit on others....
And, oh: Go fuck yourself really hard, and without any butter.
Thanks in advance.
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Author: JTEMJTEM
Date: Jan 18, 2008 20:35
Brian Westley visi.com> wrote:
> I emailed the city and pointed out that the BSA says
> atheists can't join ANY of the programs listed in the
> Pike's Peak Scoutreach program (Packs, Troops, and
> Crews).
Not to mention gay kids.
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Author: LeeLee
Date: Jan 17, 2008 11:04
Michael said:
>while your motives seem to be contentious and confrontational, lacking in
>the very character that the BSA is trying to instill in young men,
BSA is trying to teach young men to ignore injustice,
because that's contentious and confrontational? Do
you have anything at all to support that statement?
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Author: Kelsey BjarnasonKelsey Bjarnason
Date: Jan 16, 2008 01:08
[snips]
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:58:59 -0700, Michael wrote:
> Colorado Springs is a *wealthy* community; extremely wealthy.
Then they have no need to take $5,000 they're not entitled to to support a
religious organisation. If that organisation wants money, it can hold a
bake sale or fleece the faithful.
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