> On Apr 14, 9:36 am, JohnB
tinyworld.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 14 Apr, 15:08, zepflo...@
yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>> On Apr 14, 3:42 am, Rajagoogoo
yahoo.com> wrote:> So you think these threads are too focused on UK bands? Fine!>
>>>> The big 50 (based only on what was released during 1960-1979)
>
>>>> 1. The Beach Boys
>
>>> Except for a few hummable songs, they stink
>
>> What of? Surf and sand? They were a good and innovative pop band.
>
> So? Pop doesnt count for much. Surf? What the helf is surf!
>
>> Good Vibrations is a classic.
>
> Probably the only classic.
>
Maybe the term "surf" is only used in the UK - but I'd be surprised.
They had hits called Surfin' USA & Surfin' Safari, amongst others.
And their other classics would include God Only Knows, Heroes And
Villains, Do It Again, Breakaway - oh, and many more ...
And Pop counts. It's short for "popular".
>
>
>>> 2. The Velvet Underground
>>> Put them at #1.
>
>> Why? They were ok, influential, but hardly a great success.
>
> So, you need to successful to be great? Sounds like news to me.
>
Ok, but you do need *something* to be great and IMHO the Velvets only
had it in small quantities. They were experimental and most people
would accept that not all experiments work.
>
>
>>>> 3. The Byrds
>
>>> A lot better than Beach Boys
>
>> At what? Better at country-rock, sure, but the Beach Boys were better
>> at surf-pop.
>
> Surf pop? Is that even a valid genre. Byrds were among the first of
> the pyschedelic bands along with Yardbirds. They were also among the
> first folk rock bands.
>
Maybe, but I don't think they were particularly good at being
psychadelic which is why they switched to country-rock via a little
dabble in folk-rock. (Remember, my definition of "folk-rock" may not
be quite the same as yours.)
>
>>> 4. Creedence Clearwater Revival
>>>> 5. The Ramones
>>>> 6. The Eagles
>>> Boring Tripe
>
>> There must be a hell of a lot of bored people out there who bought
>> their albums.
>
> The Carpenters also sold a lot of records. And your point is?
>
The Carpenters did some classic songs too. Ok, it's smooth pop for
the Bacharach fans but it was quality. That's why people still
remember them while they try to forget others.
>> I guess they're not for you but they must have had
>> something going for them.
>
>>>> 7. The Doors
>
>>> Doors should be ahead of CCR, Byrds and most likely #2.
>
>> IMHO the Doors are one of the most over-rated bands of their time, but
>> that is of course only opinion. A few memorable tracks does not a
>> great band make.
>
> They have a lot of memorable tracks. Touch Me, LA Woman, Riders on the
> Storm, Love Her Madly, Break on Through, Hello I love You, The End....
> the list is endless.
>
Hmmm. This is where your skills at constructing an argument are shown
to be weak. The list is *far* from "endless". Your list of 7 titles
includes everything I would have listed except Light My Fire and
People Are Strange - plus some. It's not even enough for a "Best of"
CD.
>
>
>>>> 8. Steely Dan
>
>>> When you see Steely Dan at #8, you know how good the American bands
>>> were..... LOL
>
>> I don't know why the "LOL". They were appreciated by many and I can
>> hear their quality even if I'm not really a fan.
>
> I can hear the quality of their manufactured smooth stufff. Just that
> I dont that quality deserves much recognition. To me they were another
> Dire Straits.
>
Dire Straits were a damned good band. Love Over Gold is a classic
album. So to compare Steely Dan to Dire Straits seems to defeat your
argument, AFAIC.
>
>
>>> 9. Aerosmith
>>> Should be higher
>
>> Simply saying "should be higher" doesn't really add a lot to the
>> argument. I say "should be lower". They are (to me) just a run of
>> the mill rock band, nothing new or innovative in what I've heard.
>
> They had a lot of memorable RAWK songs and all time classics, like
> Sweet Emotion, Walk the Way, Dream On the mid 70s and that counts more
> than say .... Steely Dam.
>
So great that I can't remember any of those except Walk This Way - and
I'm sure others here could quote you as many memorable Steely Dan
songs, so in what way do they count more than sat Steely Dam (sic)?
>
>
>>>> 10. Lynyrd Skynyrd
>>>> 11. The Grateful Dead
>
>>> The only band more boring than them is Radiohead.
>
>> The Dead recorded music and toured for many years, none of them
>> contemporary with Radiohead, and their music changed a lot in that
>> time. Is it possible to dismiss everything they did so cheaply?
>> They're not my cup of tea and obviously not yours,
>
> and not a 1000 million others outside the US.
What on earth does this mean? Is this supposed to be part of an
argument?
>
>> but again you fail
>> to come up with a convincing argument against their inclusion in the
>> list.
>
>>> 12. The Allman Brothers Band
>>> One note wankers
>
>> Oh dear, it doesn't improve, does it? One note? Really? Well, I
>> suppose it must have been a *really large* bank note ...
>
> Thats why I said one note wanking. Dont tell me Whipping Post has a
> complex guitar solo...LOL.
>
Can't say I've heard it but was that the only thing they ever
recorded?
>
>
>>>> 13. Sly & the Family Stone
>>> How are they rock?
>
>> Who said anything about rock?
>
> Everyone else over here is rock.
>
Over where? Not the point. On this group (I am writing from rmb) we
talk about rock, pop, folk, jazz, country, whatever - as long as it
has some (vague) relevance to the Beatles.
>
>>>> 14. Chicago
>>>> 15. Van Halen
>
>>> They are awfulm dreadful, beyond pathetic
>
>> And again, you issue a quick meaningless damnation and, as ever,
>> haven't got a decent argument to back it up with.
>
> Tell me some Van Halen classics that are not Aint talking about Love
> or Jump. You Really Got me is a cover, so shouldnt count.
>
It's not my job to defend Van Halen. They're not my style. Yoe
damned them with some garbled English above, you support your
statement with some cohesive argument.
>
>>> 16. Jefferson Airplane
>>>> 17. Talking Heads
>
>>> Overrated, dont do jack for me.
>
>> They may not do "jack" (whatever that is) for you but they were highly
>> rated by many.
>
> Still they dont do jack for me. Their vocalist is by far the worst
> vocalist I have ever heard.
You live a sheltered life if David Byrne is the worst you've heard.
Listen to Psycho Killer - that vocal is perfect as someone right on
the edge of sanity.
>
>> They are one of the bands that I thought I didn't like
>> until I started listening and then realised that there's more to them
>> than is obvious on first listen.
>
> All their songs sound the same. The only song of theirs which mattered
> is Once in a Lifetime.
>
Others will of course disagree. I happen to think Road To Nowhere,
Psycho Killer, Take Me To The River, Heaven, Burning Down The House
and And She Was are all songs that "matter". There are more ...
>
>
>>>> 18. The Mothers of Invention
>>>> 19. Cheap Trick
>>>> 20. Santana
>>>> 21. The Lovin' Spoonful
>>>> 22. Blondie
>>> Should be higher
>
>> I agree but why? Is it just because Debbie Harry had the cutest face
>> of any rock goddess?
>
> Not really
>
>> I mean, that *would* be a good reason but
>> probably not a very good argument.
>
> They have a lot of catchy and dancey songs. Also they rocked for a new
> wave band. Call Me, Atomic, Hangin on the telephone etc.
>
Yet some would say they are far more "pop" than "rock". It depends
how you define things. Blondie were a good band and had lots of
hits. They weren't a brilliant album band though.
>
>
>>>> 23. The Rascals
>>>> 24. Alice Cooper
>>>> 25. The Patti Smith Group
>>>> 26. KISS
>>>> 27. Big Star
>>>> 28. The Stooges
>>>> 29. Junior Walker & The All-Stars
>>>> 30. Television
>>>> 31. Love
>>>> 32. New York Dolls
>>>> 33. Weather Report
>
>>> Jazz, not rock. Nice try, showing other bands in to make the list look
>>> better.
>
>> Again, the original list and post header said nothing about "rock".
>
> Again almost everybody on the list is rock.
>
But the list does not say it is "rock only" and not everything is
rock. So?
>
>>>> 34. Parliament/Funkadelic
>>>> 35. Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers
>>>> 36. The Dave Brubeck Quartet
>
>> And if Weather Report are jazz, why on earth isn't the far more jazz
>> DBQ? Is it just that you've never heard of them and didn't want to
>> appear ignorant?
>
> So? I dont have to repeat.
>
You don't have to repeat?!!! You?!!! Oh, the irony ...
>
>>>> 37. The Flying Burrito Brothers
>>>> 38. Little Feat
>>>> 39. ZZ Top
>>>> 40. The Raspberries
>>>> 41. Heart
>>>> 42. The Steve Miller Band
>>>> 43. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
>>>> 44. The Cars
>>>> 45. Paul Revere & the Raiders
>>>> 46. The MC5
>>>> 47. Booker T. & the MGs
>>>> 48. The Residents
>>>> 49. Pere Ubu
>>>> 50. Blue Oyster Cult
>
>>>> I can't think of anyone they left out...maybe the Doobie Brothers?
>
>>>> PS Buffalo Springfield and the Band had too much Canada in them,
>>>> presumably.
>
>> Now, what do think of Sparks? Shouldn't they have been in there on
>> the strength of "This Town Ain't Big Enough" and "Kimono My House"?
>
> Havent heard them, heard of them though.
>
Well, that says it all.
When are you going to invest some real thought and actually find
something worthwhile to say?
