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Date: Jul 20, 2007 10:27
On Jul 20, 12:13 am, "Dave W" home.net> wrote:> IMHO: basically Pink Floyd went through 3 musical phases:
I see it more as five periods:
1) The early phase:
LONDON '66-'67,
EARLY SINGLES,
PIPER AT THE GATES OF DAWN
- Syd Barrett in the lead
- disjointed lyric ideas, surreal imagery
- trying to have pop...
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Author: Rock FZYGCRock FZYGC Date: Jul 20, 2007 10:53
> On Jul 20, 12:13 am, "Dave W" home.net> wrote:
>>> IMHO: basically Pink Floyd went through 3 musical phases:
>
> I see it more as five periods:
>
> 1) The early phase:
> LONDON '66-'67,
> EARLY SINGLES,
> PIPER AT THE GATES OF DAWN
> - Syd Barrett in the lead
> - disjointed lyric ideas, surreal imagery
> - trying to have pop singles that didn't sound like them
> - raw power that couldn't play the same piece twice the same
Agreed on this. And also a "bit of fuck you attitude". Their manager
wanted Piper to be very "poppy". Syd didnt listen.
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Author: Tony ElkaTony Elka Date: Jul 20, 2007 11:07
> 5) Gimour, Mason & Wright
> A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON
> THE DIVISION BELL
> - sounds like pure Floyd but lyrics aren't there
A Momentary Lapse of Reason is essentially a David Gilmour solo album
with two coats of "Wish You Were Here" painted over it.
I've never even bothered listening to The Division Bell. And Pink Floyd
might be my favorite band.
In article <1184953996.562772.207110@ k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Rock FZYGC gmail.com> wrote:
> Wright was the main musical man in Meddle, DSOTM and WYWH. After that
> he became passive due to Waters growing ego.
Roger Waters didn't have an ego problem. He had ideas, when his band
mates had nothing.
Tony
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Author: Rock FZYGCRock FZYGC Date: Jul 20, 2007 11:15
On Jul 20, 1:07 pm, Tony Elka shadowlane.com> wrote:>> 5) Gimour, Mason & Wright
>> A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON
>> THE DIVISION BELL
>> - sounds like pure Floyd but lyrics aren't there
>
> A Momentary Lapse of Reason is essentially a David Gilmour solo album
> with two coats of "Wish You Were Here" painted over it.
>
> I've never even bothered listening to The Division Bell. And Pink Floyd
> might be my favorite band.
>
> In article <1184953996.562772.207...@ k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> Rock FZYGC gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Wright was the main musical man in Meddle, DSOTM and WYWH. After that
>> he became passive due to Waters growing ego. ...
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Author: Tony ElkaTony Elka Date: Jul 20, 2007 11:35
> On Jul 20, 1:07 pm, Tony Elka shadowlane.com> wrote:>> In article <1184952428.256971.124...@ 57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> Roger Waters didn't have an ego problem. He had ideas, when his band
>> mates had nothing. >
> How come they had ideas until Wish You Were Here and they disappeared
> suddenly?
Perhaps the well just ran dry. Adjusting to a wealthy lifestyle can do
that.
Barbet Schroeder, director of The Valley Obscured by Clouds and More
said "Roger was the creative one."
Tony
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Author: yes pink van led black rock!yes pink van led black rock! Date: Jul 20, 2007 11:44
On Jul 20, 1:35 pm, Tony Elka shadowlane.com> wrote:>> On Jul 20, 1:07 pm, Tony Elka shadowlane.com> wrote:>
>>> Roger Waters didn't have an ego problem. He had ideas, when his band
>>> mates had nothing.
>
>> How come they had ideas until Wish You Were Here and they disappeared
>> suddenly?
>
> Perhaps the well just ran dry. Adjusting to a wealthy lifestyle can do
> that.
>
> Barbet Schroeder, director of The Valley Obscured by Clouds and More
> said "Roger was the creative one."
>
> Tony ...
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Author: Tony ElkaTony Elka Date: Jul 20, 2007 13:31
>>> On Jul 20, 1:07 pm, Tony Elka shadowlane.com> wrote:>>
>> Barbet Schroeder, director of The Valley Obscured by Clouds and More
>> said "Roger was the creative one."
>>
>> Tony
> that could be a "in hindsight" opinion.
No. The Floyd provided the music for two of his films, he worked with
them directly, so he was speaking based upon his experiences with all of
them.
There's no reason to think otherwise, and looking at the solo albums,
clearly he was right. Roger has various things to say that he feels
deeply about, Richard gave us Wet Dreams, and to be fair, Broken China
which I haven't heard yet. David Gilmour is a damn good guitar player,
but that's really about it.
And Nick Mason is their Ringo.
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Date: Jul 20, 2007 13:56
On Jul 20, 3:31 pm, Tony Elka shadowlane.com> wrote:>>>> On Jul 20, 1:07 pm, Tony Elka shadowlane.com> wrote:>
>>> Barbet Schroeder, director of The Valley Obscured by Clouds and More
>>> said "Roger was the creative one."
>
>>> Tony
>> that could be a "in hindsight" opinion.
>
> No. The Floyd provided the music for two of his films, he worked with
> them directly, so he was speaking based upon his experiences with all of
> them.
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Author: Tony ElkaTony Elka Date: Jul 20, 2007 15:50
> Did he say he was talented as a lyricist or as a composer.
He just said Roger was the creative one, he didn't elaborate.
> Lyrically
> he was definitely better than the rest (excluding Barrett). I suspect
> Wright was the best composer in the band. Look at AHM.... of the three
> solo compositions, Summer '68 stands out.
I prefer "If" to "Summer 68" and I definitely like "Julia Dream" from
Relics, but I have nothing against Richard Wright tunes like "Paint Box"
or "Remember a Day" or even "See Saw."
>> There's no reason to think otherwise, and looking at the solo albums,
>> clearly he was right. Roger has various things to say that he feels
>> deeply about
>
> probably says too much about it... it was good until WYWH... after
> that it got tedious.
You don't speak for everyone, including Waters fans. To me, nothing is
more tedious than empty lyrics, like one gets with AMLOR.
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Author: MaxieMaxie Date: Jul 22, 2007 09:06
> On Jul 20, 3:31 pm, Tony Elka shadowlane.com> wrote:>>>>> On Jul 20, 1:07 pm, Tony Elka shadowlane.com> wrote:>>
>>>> Barbet Schroeder, director of The Valley Obscured by Clouds and More
>>>> said "Roger was the creative one."
>>
>>>> Tony
>>> that could be a "in hindsight" opinion.
>>
>> No. The Floyd provided the music for two of his films, he worked with
>> them directly, so he was speaking based upon his experiences with all of
>> them.
> ...
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