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>> Yelps wrote:

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>>>> Yelps wrote:

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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yelps wrote:

>>>>>>> "Tony Elka" shadowlane.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>> <1167153270.605760.216340@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>> zepfloyes@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that I completely agree with the list. There
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> several flaws on the list. No Moody Blues, come on! And where
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> "The
>>>>>>>>> Piper At the Gates of Dawn'!

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps there's something inherently ridiculous about the very
>>>>>>>> concept
>>>>>>>> of these lists?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tony<<<<<<<<<<<

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Inherently flawed yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being a few years older then most people commenting on these
>>>>>>> threads---being
>>>>>>> a 60's person rather then a 70's or 80's person---and i read the
>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>> opinions I am always aware of the evolution of rock from the 50's
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> 60's and from the 60's to the 70's and beyond. There are very
>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>> influences that built one upon the other. People who were attuned
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> 70's and 80's---most of the Rock list writers I see on the
>>>>>>> internet,
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> seem to be aware of how these developments built on each other and
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> deciding influences came from. I could write a book on the
>>>>>>> subject,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> probably never will, but it really annoys me, that younger then me
>>>>>>> rock
>>>>>>> fans
>>>>>>> and historians, get so much of it wrong. One of the key points to
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>> understand influences in music, is to understand how there is a
>>>>>>> critical
>>>>>>> age
>>>>>>> of the listener, when that listener is most malleable to music.
>>>>>>> It is
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> a bonding and imprinting process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For instance, my generation was a little too young when Elvis came
>>>>>>> out,
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> bond to Elvis music, so although I later learned to appreciate
>>>>>>> Elvis
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>> films a bit and liked some of the songs--he and his fans were like
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>> fogey to me. I remember when a older brother of one of my friends
>>>>>>> showed
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>> an early Elvis album that he was bonded to, my immediate reaction
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> seeing the album cover with the photo of Elvis standing there, was
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>> Elvis as a "greaser" from the old 50's crowd--the kind of music I
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> hear
>>>>>>> on the pop radio at the time, which was all about love songs and
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>> adolescent romantic nature---while at the time I had not yet
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> hit
>>>>>>> puberty. Puberty itself tends to intensify the romantic pop songs
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>> so taody as well. Most of the top 40 is always in this category.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The next most important thing to understand is the drugs of choice
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> generation and how it effects the generation and the music. Drugs
>>>>>>> themselves
>>>>>>> intensify the imprinting. In the case of the mid 60's to the end
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> 60's, it was LSD, a decidedly different kind of drug from alcohol,
>>>>>>> speed,
>>>>>>> cocaine, heroin, etc. This is why the so called progressive and
>>>>>>> psychedelic
>>>>>>> music appeared--vastly different from the previous kinds of music,
>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>> lyrically and instrumentally. In the 60's between 1965-1969,
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> shit hit the fan, the sound tended to be speaking to the millions
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> young
>>>>>>> people whose consciousness had been substantially altered by LSD.
>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>> Beck
>>>>>>> and the Yardbirds, changed the sound of the electric guitar and
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> a signal that reached all the people who had tried acid or used it
>>>>>>> regularly. From that moment ALL the rock bands changed overnight.
>>>>>>> Kubrick's
>>>>>>> 2001 also was major signal in the other main media--films---and
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> people hated it, or hated LSD, once the signal was sent there was
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> unconscious change. Once the LSD era was mostly passed, things
>>>>>>> reverted
>>>>>>> back, but leaving only the form of the music--i.e., the loud
>>>>>>> sustained
>>>>>>> guitar riffs--even though the lyrics then began to lose their
>>>>>>> psychedelic
>>>>>>> nature and revert back to pop romance and alcohol, amphetamine,
>>>>>>> Cocaine
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> heroin based music. The mass generation LSD/Psychedelic period
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>> a very brief era. To existing English bands like the Beatles,
>>>>>>> Stones,
>>>>>>> Yardbirds, and the Who and then Pink Floyd and others there is
>>>>>>> literally
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> overnight change in the content and it spread in the US like a
>>>>>>> wildfire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The phrases "progressive rock," and "experimental rock" preceded
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> psychedelic period by about one year. 1964 was the year people
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> heard
>>>>>>> that weird progressive/experimental rock when they heard the
>>>>>>> Yardbirds
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> were substantially different in their live sound, from the
>>>>>>> Beatles,
>>>>>>> Stones
>>>>>>> and Animals or Kinks. This happened in 1964 in the UK. The first
>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> phrase was heard was about the Yardbirds and did not appply to any
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> other bands, but it was said conversationally not as terms. then,
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> that could even thought of as a category of rock, we were in the
>>>>>>> Psychedelic
>>>>>>> period, beginning in 1965, which brough the terms "progressive"
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> "experimental" with it "Still I'm Sad" and "I'm a Man" and "Mister
>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> Better man then I," and "Heart full of Soul," guitar solo, were
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> studio tracks of progressive/experimental rock. These phrases,
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> any commentators, describing the Yardbirds at the time. Hearing
>>>>>>> "Still
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> Sad," on the pop radio signaled a major change in music.
>>>>>>> Hearing
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Guitar solo in "Heartful of Soul" and "Mister you're a better man
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> I"
>>>>>>> was the very beginning of heavy metal psychedelic guitar and this
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> corresponded with the exact moment in time, many people in Los
>>>>>>> Angeles
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> around the world, were first experimenting with LSD and the fact
>>>>>>> is,
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> LSD
>>>>>>> a person responds immediatly to that kind of hypnotic guitar tone
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> grabs the awareness and holds it. The Eastern Rage-like Music
>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>> began
>>>>>>> to appear. Suddenly you had virtually every popular English band
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> switch in guitar sound and a huge crop of US bands started to
>>>>>>> learn to
>>>>>>> play
>>>>>>> guitar, attempting to copy that sound. It was like the 100th
>>>>>>> Monkey
>>>>>>> idea,
>>>>>>> where the critical mass is reached and a new meme begins.
>>>>>>> Immediatly
>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>> that, there was the greatest wave of songs from each of the bands.
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> like a brief Renaissance and for instance in Los Angeles we had
>>>>>>> three
>>>>>>> main
>>>>>>> "pop" radio channels and one could spin the dial and each of these
>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>> was blasting this new paradigm onto Sunset boulevard, intermixed
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> great soul music. You would hear the rave up, Im a Man, then
>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> "Tamborine Man" and Eight Miles High, then, "Satisfaction," then
>>>>>>> Dylans
>>>>>>> "Like a Rolling Stone," then as the hour got later, into the
>>>>>>> evening,
>>>>>>> you'd hear Zappa's "Who are the Brain Police," The bryds Turn
>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>> turn,
>>>>>>> then Count Five's Psychotic Reaction" a juvenile, copycat
>>>>>>> Yardbird's
>>>>>>> style
>>>>>>> song, and then the concept albums were all appearing, and you'd
>>>>>>> hear
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> SF
>>>>>>> bands, mostly Grace Slick singing, "Go ask Alice," Donavan
>>>>>>> singing,
>>>>>>> "Sunshine Superman and "The Trip" etc, the Mysterian's "96 Tears,"
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> Yardbirds again with Shapes of things, Over Under Sideways Down,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> "Happening ten years time ago" (all 1966) ...then came the Cream's
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>> free, and "Sunshine of your love," the Doors, "Light My Fire," and
>>>>>>> "Break
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> through" etc. The Who's Magic Bus, Beatles, Sargent Pepper
>>>>>>> Yellow
>>>>>>> Submarine albums (I am the Walrus) and the Who A quick One.
>>>>>>> "Boris
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Spider," etc. the Stones, "Paint it Black" and "She Comes in
>>>>>>> Colors"
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> "Get off my Cloud," Love's "7 and 7 Is," and many others of
>>>>>>> lesser
>>>>>>> reknown.
>>>>>>> It was an amazing time musically and it was all about inner
>>>>>>> exploration
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> LSD and the initial period of massive marijuana use. Then as the
>>>>>>> 60's
>>>>>>> gave
>>>>>>> way to the 70's there was a lot of mostly amateurish attempts
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> copy
>>>>>>> cat
>>>>>>> songs, until Zep came along with their first album and that was
>>>>>>> followed
>>>>>>> by a whole slew of increasingly non-psychedelicized, heavy metal
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Death
>>>>>>> Metal as alchohol and cocaine appeared back on the scene. Romantic
>>>>>>> pop
>>>>>>> started to return.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although at the time the era seemed like a long period, in
>>>>>>> retrospect
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> very brief but very explosive time marked by significant changes
>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> actual world events.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Great post. I have always considered Yardbirds the first
>>>>>> experimental/progressive/psychedelic band. Every band including the
>>>>>> Beatles, Stones, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Who, Yes were were
>>>>>> influenced by them.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

>>>>>
>>>>> Then why in hell do all your silly lists ignore them and I want to
>>>>> strangle
>>>>> you after seeing them?

>>>>
>>>> This thread does not have my list. Its a list from some other site. If
>>>> I do make a list of influencial band, Yardbirds will make the list.
>>>> Are
>>>> Yardbirds among the greatest bands ever? Well... they didnt last long
>>>> enough...

>>>>>
>>>>> Please don't agree with me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your lists need to die for spreading the usenet equivalent of the
>>>>> bubonic
>>>>> plague.

>>>> You dont have to be rude.

>>>
>>> Please stop spamming lists then. You can state your opinions, without
>>> being
>>> "list" oriented. Can't you see how annoying it is to people? These
>>> lists
>>> drive people crazy because they are always idiotic.
>>>
>>> dc

>>
>> Okay if you say so. No more lists.

>
> Okay thank you. :)
>
> dc
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