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> "Wes" suite224.net> wrote in message
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>>I knew it was a great post when massive grammar errors occur by the second
>>sentence and continue throughout the post.
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>> What evidence is there that experimental and progressive rock preceded
>> psychedelia?
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>> Wes

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> The evidence that "experimental and progressive rock preceded
> psychedelia?" is the simple reality as I said that these terms where being
> used by commentators to describe the Yardbirds or there own descriptions
> of themselves. See the liner notes on the original "Having a Rave up with
> the Yardbirds." and virtually any old music magazine article about them in
> 1964and 1965 in the UK or 1965 in the US.
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> Listen to what the announcer says in German at the beginning of this
> video tape annoucing the Yardbirds from 1967.
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> http://www.yelpsastound.com/MUSIC/Yardbirds%%201967.wmv
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> The Yardbirds were always known as "progressive/experimental" and in those
> years this is what they were called conversationally. No other rock group
> was called this, till Pink Floyd a little later, when they were doing
> their first amateur quality "electronic music," copying the "electronics
> music" sound ala the Columbia-Princeton Electronic Music Center from the
> 50's.
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia-Princeton_Electronic_Music_Center
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> In 1966 the first use of the term "psychedelic:" on an music single on
> the sleeve of UK's version of Happening Ten Years Time Ago.
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>> "ZepFloYes" yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1167173863.635529.105570@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...

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>>> Yelps wrote:

>>>> "Tony Elka" shadowlane.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:shadowlane-DFA022.11155126122006@news.newsguy.com...

>>>>> In article <1167153270.605760.216340@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> zepfloyes@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>>> That doesnt mean that I completely agree with the list. There are
>>>>>> several flaws on the list. No Moody Blues, come on! And where is
>>>>>> "The
>>>>>> Piper At the Gates of Dawn'!

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps there's something inherently ridiculous about the very
>>>>> concept
>>>>> of these lists?
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>>>>> Tony<<<<<<<<<<<

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>>>> Inherently flawed yes.
>>>>
>>>> Being a few years older then most people commenting on these
>>>> threads---being
>>>> a 60's person rather then a 70's or 80's person---and i read the
>>>> various
>>>> opinions I am always aware of the evolution of rock from the 50's into
>>>> the
>>>> 60's and from the 60's to the 70's and beyond. There are very real
>>>> influences that built one upon the other. People who were attuned to
>>>> the
>>>> 70's and 80's---most of the Rock list writers I see on the internet,
>>>> don't
>>>> seem to be aware of how these developments built on each other and
>>>> where the
>>>> deciding influences came from. I could write a book on the subject,
>>>> but
>>>> probably never will, but it really annoys me, that younger then me rock
>>>> fans
>>>> and historians, get so much of it wrong. One of the key points to
>>>> really
>>>> understand influences in music, is to understand how there is a
>>>> critical age
>>>> of the listener, when that listener is most malleable to music. It is
>>>> like
>>>> a bonding and imprinting process.
>>>>
>>>> For instance, my generation was a little too young when Elvis came out,
>>>> to
>>>> bond to Elvis music, so although I later learned to appreciate Elvis in
>>>> his
>>>> films a bit and liked some of the songs--he and his fans were like an
>>>> old
>>>> fogey to me. I remember when a older brother of one of my friends
>>>> showed me
>>>> an early Elvis album that he was bonded to, my immediate reaction to
>>>> just
>>>> seeing the album cover with the photo of Elvis standing there, was to
>>>> see
>>>> Elvis as a "greaser" from the old 50's crowd--the kind of music I would
>>>> hear
>>>> on the pop radio at the time, which was all about love songs and things
>>>> of a
>>>> adolescent romantic nature---while at the time I had not yet even hit
>>>> puberty. Puberty itself tends to intensify the romantic pop songs and
>>>> does
>>>> so taody as well. Most of the top 40 is always in this category.
>>>>
>>>> The next most important thing to understand is the drugs of choice of a
>>>> generation and how it effects the generation and the music. Drugs
>>>> themselves
>>>> intensify the imprinting. In the case of the mid 60's to the end of
>>>> the
>>>> 60's, it was LSD, a decidedly different kind of drug from alcohol,
>>>> speed,
>>>> cocaine, heroin, etc. This is why the so called progressive and
>>>> psychedelic
>>>> music appeared--vastly different from the previous kinds of music, both
>>>> lyrically and instrumentally. In the 60's between 1965-1969, before
>>>> the
>>>> shit hit the fan, the sound tended to be speaking to the millions of
>>>> young
>>>> people whose consciousness had been substantially altered by LSD. Jeff
>>>> Beck
>>>> and the Yardbirds, changed the sound of the electric guitar and it was
>>>> like
>>>> a signal that reached all the people who had tried acid or used it
>>>> regularly. From that moment ALL the rock bands changed overnight.
>>>> Kubrick's
>>>> 2001 also was major signal in the other main media--films---and even if
>>>> people hated it, or hated LSD, once the signal was sent there was an
>>>> unconscious change. Once the LSD era was mostly passed, things
>>>> reverted
>>>> back, but leaving only the form of the music--i.e., the loud sustained
>>>> guitar riffs--even though the lyrics then began to lose their
>>>> psychedelic
>>>> nature and revert back to pop romance and alcohol, amphetamine, Cocaine
>>>> or
>>>> heroin based music. The mass generation LSD/Psychedelic period was
>>>> really
>>>> a very brief era. To existing English bands like the Beatles, Stones,
>>>> Yardbirds, and the Who and then Pink Floyd and others there is
>>>> literally an
>>>> overnight change in the content and it spread in the US like a
>>>> wildfire.
>>>>
>>>> The phrases "progressive rock," and "experimental rock" preceded the
>>>> psychedelic period by about one year. 1964 was the year people first
>>>> heard
>>>> that weird progressive/experimental rock when they heard the Yardbirds
>>>> who
>>>> were substantially different in their live sound, from the Beatles,
>>>> Stones
>>>> and Animals or Kinks. This happened in 1964 in the UK. The first time
>>>> that
>>>> phrase was heard was about the Yardbirds and did not appply to any of
>>>> the
>>>> other bands, but it was said conversationally not as terms. then,
>>>> before
>>>> that could even thought of as a category of rock, we were in the
>>>> Psychedelic
>>>> period, beginning in 1965, which brough the terms "progressive" and
>>>> "experimental" with it "Still I'm Sad" and "I'm a Man" and "Mister
>>>> you're a
>>>> Better man then I," and "Heart full of Soul," guitar solo, were the
>>>> first
>>>> studio tracks of progressive/experimental rock. These phrases, were
>>>> used by
>>>> any commentators, describing the Yardbirds at the time. Hearing
>>>> "Still I'm
>>>> Sad," on the pop radio signaled a major change in music. Hearing the
>>>> Guitar solo in "Heartful of Soul" and "Mister you're a better man then
>>>> I"
>>>> was the very beginning of heavy metal psychedelic guitar and this all
>>>> corresponded with the exact moment in time, many people in Los Angeles
>>>> and
>>>> around the world, were first experimenting with LSD and the fact is, on
>>>> LSD
>>>> a person responds immediatly to that kind of hypnotic guitar tone which
>>>> grabs the awareness and holds it. The Eastern Rage-like Music sound
>>>> began
>>>> to appear. Suddenly you had virtually every popular English band make
>>>> the
>>>> switch in guitar sound and a huge crop of US bands started to learn to
>>>> play
>>>> guitar, attempting to copy that sound. It was like the 100th Monkey
>>>> idea,
>>>> where the critical mass is reached and a new meme begins. Immediatly
>>>> after
>>>> that, there was the greatest wave of songs from each of the bands. It
>>>> was
>>>> like a brief Renaissance and for instance in Los Angeles we had three
>>>> main
>>>> "pop" radio channels and one could spin the dial and each of these
>>>> channels
>>>> was blasting this new paradigm onto Sunset boulevard, intermixed with
>>>> some
>>>> great soul music. You would hear the rave up, Im a Man, then change
>>>> to
>>>> "Tamborine Man" and Eight Miles High, then, "Satisfaction," then Dylans
>>>> "Like a Rolling Stone," then as the hour got later, into the evening,
>>>> you'd hear Zappa's "Who are the Brain Police," The bryds Turn turn
>>>> turn,
>>>> then Count Five's Psychotic Reaction" a juvenile, copycat Yardbird's
>>>> style
>>>> song, and then the concept albums were all appearing, and you'd hear
>>>> the SF
>>>> bands, mostly Grace Slick singing, "Go ask Alice," Donavan singing,
>>>> "Sunshine Superman and "The Trip" etc, the Mysterian's "96 Tears," The
>>>> Yardbirds again with Shapes of things, Over Under Sideways Down, and
>>>> "Happening ten years time ago" (all 1966) ...then came the Cream's I
>>>> feel
>>>> free, and "Sunshine of your love," the Doors, "Light My Fire," and
>>>> "Break on
>>>> through" etc. The Who's Magic Bus, Beatles, Sargent Pepper Yellow
>>>> Submarine albums (I am the Walrus) and the Who A quick One. "Boris the
>>>> Spider," etc. the Stones, "Paint it Black" and "She Comes in Colors"
>>>> and
>>>> "Get off my Cloud," Love's "7 and 7 Is," and many others of lesser
>>>> reknown.
>>>> It was an amazing time musically and it was all about inner exploration
>>>> with
>>>> LSD and the initial period of massive marijuana use. Then as the 60's
>>>> gave
>>>> way to the 70's there was a lot of mostly amateurish attempts at
>>>> copy cat
>>>> songs, until Zep came along with their first album and that was
>>>> followed
>>>> by a whole slew of increasingly non-psychedelicized, heavy metal and
>>>> Death
>>>> Metal as alchohol and cocaine appeared back on the scene. Romantic pop
>>>> started to return.
>>>>
>>>> Although at the time the era seemed like a long period, in retrospect
>>>> it was
>>>> very brief but very explosive time marked by significant changes
>>>> related to
>>>> actual world events.
>>>>

>>>
>>> Great post. I have always considered Yardbirds the first
>>> experimental/progressive/psychedelic band. Every band including the
>>> Beatles, Stones, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Who, Yes were were
>>> influenced by them.
>>>

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>>>> dc

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