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Re: "Magnificent moments, unbearable quarter-hours"         


Author: TareeDawg
Date: Jan 12, 2008 23:58

A. Brain wrote:
> Supposedly said by someone about Wagner, but if this were
> a "Jeopardy"-type quiz, and answers were to be quotes rather
> than questions, I'd quote Cole Porter out of context: "You're
> a symphony by Strauss".
>
> I was warning my bipolar neighbor, having symphony
> tickets for a program featuring Elgar's cell concerto
> followed by Richard Strauss's "Alpine Symphony",
> what to expect in the second half. It's been a while
> since I heard either this or the "Domestica", and then,
> flipping through THIRD EAR, I find that Strauss wrote
> two other symphonies that are apparently deservedly
> neglected as these are not. The critic writes, "They are,
> in a word, boring."
>
> The Alpine Symphony is surely not "the top"
> either. If only the program had a better second
> half, I'd go for the Elgar (and there's still a chance
> my neighbor won't be in the mood to go and I'll ...
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Re: "Magnificent moments, unbearable quarter-hours"         


Author: Eddie Oliver
Date: Jan 13, 2008 00:37

> A. Brain wrote:
>> I was warning my bipolar neighbor, having symphony
>> tickets for a program featuring Elgar's cell concerto
>> followed by Richard Strauss's "Alpine Symphony",
>> what to expect in the second half. It's been a while
>> since I heard either this or the "Domestica", and then,
>> flipping through THIRD EAR, I find that Strauss wrote
>> two other symphonies that are apparently deservedly
>> neglected as these are not. The critic writes, "They are,
>> in a word, boring."

There are D minor and F minor symphonies that are both very pleasant,
not boring at all to this listener.

And what about the lovely violin concerto, which is an amazingly
neglected work?
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Re: "Magnificent moments, unbearable quarter-hours"         


Author: A. Brain
Date: Jan 13, 2008 17:55

DOWNWITHSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in
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>
>> A. Brain wrote:
>
>>> I was warning my bipolar neighbor, having symphony
>>> tickets for a program featuring Elgar's cell concerto
>>> followed by Richard Strauss's "Alpine Symphony",
>>> what to expect in the second half. It's been a while
>>> since I heard either this or the "Domestica", and then,
>>> flipping through THIRD EAR, I find that Strauss wrote
>>> two other symphonies that are apparently deservedly
>>> neglected as these are not. The critic writes, "They are,
>>> in a word, boring."
>
> There are D minor and F minor symphonies that are both very pleasant,
> not boring at all to this listener.
>
> And what about the lovely violin concerto, which is an amazingly
> neglected work? ...
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Re: "Magnificent moments, unbearable quarter-hours"         


Author: Steve de Mena
Date: Jan 13, 2008 20:21

A. Brain wrote:
> DOWNWITHSPAMiprimus.com.au> wrote in
> message news:13ojjdmrn0k61e9@corp.supernews.com...
>>> A. Brain wrote:
>>>> I was warning my bipolar neighbor, having symphony
>>>> tickets for a program featuring Elgar's cell concerto
>>>> followed by Richard Strauss's "Alpine Symphony",
>>>> what to expect in the second half. It's been a while
>>>> since I heard either this or the "Domestica", and then,
>>>> flipping through THIRD EAR, I find that Strauss wrote
>>>> two other symphonies that are apparently deservedly
>>>> neglected as these are not. The critic writes, "They are,
>>>> in a word, boring."
>> There are D minor and F minor symphonies that are both very pleasant,
>> not boring at all to this listener.
>>
>> And what about the lovely violin concerto, which is an amazingly
>> neglected work?
>
> Never heard it. I confess to having something of ...
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Re: "Magnificent moments, unbearable quarter-hours"         


Author: William Sommerwerck
Date: Jan 14, 2008 05:54

"A. Brain" NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
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> Never heard it. I confess to having something of a
> prejudice against Strauss. For a variety of reasons,
> but mostly because I just do not like the music.

Uh... Is there any other reason?
> I can't resist adding that the NYT had a piece a few
> weeks back about a guy who traveled to Santa Fe
> with his mom last summer. He confessed to liking
> broadway musicals more than classical music (ugh!).
> But they decided to take in the opera while there.
> And they could have seen Cosi, Boheme, or the hit
> of the season, Rameau's "Platee". Instead, they saw
> "Daphne". (Santa Fe has an unfortunate tradition of doing
> a Strauss opera almost every year.)

I saw "Die Fliegendie Hollandermaus" there almost 20 years ago. Senta died
by jumping off a cliff, rather than stabbing herself. Good performance,
though.
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Re: "Magnificent moments, unbearable quarter-hours"         


Author: Rugby
Date: Jan 14, 2008 08:50

On Jan 14, 7:54 am, "William Sommerwerck" comcast.net>
> I saw "Die Fliegendie Hollandermaus" there almost 20 years ago.
Senta died
> by jumping off a cliff, rather than stabbing herself. Good performance,
> though.

And about 15 or so years ago, I saw Strauss' " Die Schweigsame Frau"
there, as I recall one good sextet at the end of Act 1, perhaps only
one other passable aria, but it was fun sitting under the stars, and
watching people have their pre-dinners on card-tables out in the
parking lot, with white linen table cloths, sterling, and cadelabra,
sipping champagne with fois gras.

Same week we sat in our raincoats, in a huge storm for about 30
minutes, thunder and all, drinking red wine to stay warm, and watched
Puccini's "Fanciulla del West". The first act is too long, Puccini's
fault, but the second act, and the card scene, and the final act, as
Jack Rance stands alone at the end, were extraordinary at Santa Fe , a
Met performance seen on PBS a few months later not as well staged or
sung, IMHO.

Thanks for reminding me,
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Re: "Magnificent moments, unbearable quarter-hours"         


Author: Rugby
Date: Jan 15, 2008 09:44

On Jan 14, 9:40 pm, "david7ga...@aol.com" aol.com> wrote:
 It's interesting the way he renounces the strongly
> directional in favor of an amorphous conversational continuum, and the
> post-Debussyan language that makes this possible is pretty
> interesting, too:  oddly enough, Fanciulla is almost Puccini's
> Pélléas.  

Did Puccini recognize he was doing thus ? For me the first Act
continuumed too long, but that's just me.

The Santa Fe production seemed to make Rance the real, if tragic, hero
of the piece.

Regards, Rugby
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Re: "Magnificent moments, unbearable quarter-hours" (Puccini: Fanciulla)         


Author: david7gable
Date: Jan 15, 2008 11:35

I wrote:
>> It's interesting the way he renounces the strongly
>> directional in favor of an amorphous conversational continuum, and the
>> post-Debussyan language that makes this possible is pretty
>> interesting, too: oddly enough, Fanciulla is almost Puccini's
>> Pélléas.

On Jan 15, 12:44 pm, Rugby wrote:
> Did Puccini recognize he was doing thus ?

Of course he did! I don't mean that he was consciously writing his
Pélléas. I mean that he was consciously striving to develop his own
harmonic language, he kept abreast of developments in contemporary...
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Re: "Magnificent moments, unbearable quarter-hours" (Puccini: Fanciulla)         


Date: Jan 15, 2008 12:52

"david7gable@aol.com" aol.com> appears to have caused the
following letters to be typed in news:c836fa56-6579-4e0a-b1ab-a094e82bde31
@c23g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
> I wrote:
>>> It's interesting the way he renounces the strongly directional in
>>> favor of an amorphous conversational continuum, and the post-Debussyan
>>> language that makes this possible is pretty interesting, too: oddly
>>> enough, Fanciulla is almost Puccini's P
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Re: "Magnificent moments, unbearable quarter-hours" (Puccini: Fanciulla)         


Author: david7gable
Date: Jan 15, 2008 18:40

On Jan 15, 3:52 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" wrote:
> Although there's no escaping that Scarpia is a bewigged blackguard.

That's true, although Sardou and Puccini must both have imagined that
they were creating a figure along the lines of (Shakespeare's) Iago.
> May I suggest it's possible to interpret "Fanciulla" with Rance as a
> thwarted anti-hero (perhaps the best kind thereof)?

Sure, but it's hard to claim that he plays a role as central in
Fanciulla as, say, Hamlet's in Hamlet, and Hamlet was, in a sense, the
very archetype of the anti-hero.

-david gable
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