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Author: ObalaObala Date: Jul 28, 2008 20:19
Has it ever been recorded using this instrument? And did Strauss
really call for them specifically?
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Author: Jon Alan ConradJon Alan Conrad Date: Jul 28, 2008 22:43
On Jul 28, 2:19 pm, Obala gmail.com> wrote:> Has it ever been recorded using this instrument? And did Strauss
> really call for them specifically?
According to the instrumentation list I found (which matches my memory
of the score), there aren't any saxhorns; might you be thinking of
saxophones?
Strauss does write parts for saxophones in his score -- perhaps the
only time he used the instrument? -- as an oddly chosen quartet in now-
obsolete transpositions, in C and F (C soprano, F alto, F baritone, C
bass). They are marked "optional," and sadly that's quite accurate:
they play only in well-doubled situations and the piece sounds the
same with or without them.
JAC
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Author: Steve de MenaSteve de Mena Date: Jul 28, 2008 23:07
Obala wrote:
> Has it ever been recorded using this instrument? And did Strauss
> really call for them specifically?
For Brass the score says:
4 Saxophones:
Soprano in C
Alto in F
Baritone in F
Bass in C
(Saxophones can be omitted, but only if necessary)
8 French Horns
4 Trumpets
3 Trombones
Bass Tuba
Steve
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Author: makropulosmakropulos Date: Jul 28, 2008 23:24
On Jul 28, 7:19 pm, Obala gmail.com> wrote:> Has it ever been recorded using this instrument? And did Strauss
> really call for them specifically?
Not the question you asked, but Messiaen calls specifically for a
saxhorn in "Et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum.
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Author: ObalaObala Date: Jul 28, 2008 23:32
I know I've read somewhere that he intended the parts to be played on
saxhorns. I'll have to look it up. And yes - I'm aware that the parts
are either omitted or played by the quartet of saxophones.
So which recordings use the quartet?
Has Mahler ever used this instrument?
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Author: notesetternotesetter Date: Jul 29, 2008 01:23
On 28 Jul., 16:32, Obala gmail.com> wrote:> I know I've read somewhere that he intended the parts to be played on
> saxhorns. I'll have to look it up. And yes - I'm aware that the parts
> are either omitted or played by the quartet of saxophones.
>
> So which recordings use the quartet?
>
> Has Mahler ever used this instrument?
The Vaughan Williams 9th uses a sax trio - alto, tenor and baritone.
Mahler never did, as far as I know.
Bruce
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Author: Jon Alan ConradJon Alan Conrad Date: Jul 29, 2008 02:50
On Jul 28, 5:32 pm, Obala gmail.com> wrote:
> I know I've read somewhere that he intended the parts to be played on
> saxhorns. I'll have to look it up.
Please do. I kind of specialize in noticing saxophone parts in
orchestral works (I used to play sax), so I'm interested in this
--
but I've never heard this saxhorn story. That doesn't mean it couldn't
be true, but if so I'm surprised to have never come across it, and
eager to improve my knowledge.
JAC
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Date: Jul 29, 2008 05:58
> On 28 Jul., 16:32, Obala gmail.com> wrote:>> I know I've read somewhere that he intended the parts to be played on
>> saxhorns. I'll have to look it up. And yes - I'm aware that the parts
>> are either omitted or played by the quartet of saxophones.
>>
>> So which recordings use the quartet?
>>
>> Has Mahler ever used this instrument?
>
> The Vaughan Williams 9th uses a sax trio - alto, tenor and baritone.
> Mahler never did, as far as I know.
And he makes wonderful use of them, too, particularly in harmonizing passages
in the first movement, and some "riffs" (sort of) in the scherzo.
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Author: ObalaObala Date: Jul 29, 2008 11:11
On Jul 29, 2:50 am, Jon Alan Conrad udel.edu> wrote:> On Jul 28, 5:32 pm, Obala gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I know I've read somewhere that he intended the parts to be played on
>> saxhorns. I'll have to look it up.
>
> Please do. I kind of specialize in noticing saxophone parts in
> orchestral works (I used to play sax), so I'm interested in this --
> but I've never heard this saxhorn story. That doesn't mean it couldn't
> be true, but if so I'm surprised to have never come across it, and
> eager to improve my knowledge.
>
> JAC
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Author: Jon Alan ConradJon Alan Conrad Date: Jul 29, 2008 13:55
On Jul 29, 5:11 am, Obala gmail.com> wrote:
> Look in the comments.
Thanks. I'll look forward to a more official source (we know what
nonsense is spread in YouTube) before I give it much credence; the
score definitely says saxophones, and Strauss could read as well as
anybody, and had a lifetime to correct it if it was that gross an
error.
JAC
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