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wavecable.com>, Evolution
rcn.com> wrote:
>
> I was devastated when Clark lost last time, but I wasn't bitter.
>> You know what I think more and more, Laurie? Truth be told? I think you
>> don't want to vote for the " Black guy". 'Cause the more I talk to you
>> about this both here and in private , that's the only reason I could see
>> you being opposed to him and loving someone like Wesley Clark. I don't
>> know how else to explain any of this.
>>
I stand by it. Obama and Hillary have both said there isn't much
difference between them. So.....whats the difference? Besides that he's
male. But so were Clark and Kerry. And then there was the curious george
crap, and the Obamanation crap and....well see below for further
explanation..
>
> Fuck you. Do you want me to post all your private emails on here? WTF?
You save my emails? That is odd. And why would you do that? Whats the
point? IIRC your repsonses don't make you look really good.
> I have NEVER implied or given you any reason to believe his color
> makes a difference, and you imply that I have given you this impression
> in private emails.
yup. They certainly did. And more to the point what you have posted here
has. As has been noted by a couple of folks.
Let's publish them here, shall we? That is really a
> low blow and beneath you, Ruth.
I haven't published your emails anywhere. . I don't even have your
frakking emails. I don't think. If you really want me to publish them I
could probably fish them out of embarq...
But why would you want me to do that?
>
> You want to know why I liked Wes Clark and not Obama? Wes Clark was a
> proven leader, he had years and years of experience in executive
> desicion-making and foreign policy, in running bases taking care of the
> families, and he had actually accomplished something few people do;
> becoming a 4 star general,
You say that like its a good thing.
in charge of the Bosnia campaign, where he
> had to get permission from every NATO member for every bombing raid.
> He, unlike Obama, has substance. He appealed to the swing voters and
> the elite liberals alike. He truly *could* have brought the country
> together instead of merely talking about it. He talked intelligently
> and in depth on the subject of the Iraq war (and many other issues), and
> was the first to say the conflict needed a political solution not a
> military one; a line Kerry stole at the convention.
Oh. Because no one has ever used those words about a war before??? You
have a short memory. Or maybe you are a lot younger than you claim to be.
He has a record,
> depth, proven leadership and experience, none of which Obama has and I
> have never said any different when talking about my concerns about
> Obama. Obama is no Wes Clark, and it has nothing to do with his skin color.
>
> You have told me to fuck off in this forum several times and I ignored
> you, thinking you are just an emotional, reactive person...
I am. I am all of those things. And with that in mind let me say it
again. Fuck off.
and then
> you email me privately when I disappear for a while and act all
> concerned.
I was. You're a human being. And I didn't like what some folks were
saying about you here. So I defended you.
>And then you accuse me of racism.<
After much reading. It's the only thing that made any sense to me.That
and the curious george comment and the whole annoying Obamanation thing
and a variety of other reasons . I sincerely hope I am wrong about that
fact. But I can't figure it out otherwise. You don't make a whole bunch o'
sense and you keep getting the silliest stuff wrong. You have scared very
nice people off of this NG and this is a community that has been around
for a very long time.I did tell you in Private Email that I was not going
to do this with you in public anymore for that reason, but I seem to be
breaking my own vow ...after you told me you would *rather* have these
arguments in public. Whatever. You task me ( sorry literary reflex). And
I am a self avowed asshole. But whats the big deal Laurie? You accuse
half the world of misogyny ( as do I on occasion) so what...you can dish
it out but you can't take it? I just looked at the evidence, scratched my
head, and thought...gee.. I wonder....and it started looking like it made
sense.
Look, kid. you come here from gods knows where and proceed to dominate
this NG with about 600 posts a day with half baked arguments for The
Clintons and you didn't even know what the fucking DLC is. You are
obviously not very sophisticated politically , not all that bright, and
you really really have begun to piss me off . (And you prefer Pearl Jam
to Springsteen which is just silly- ON TOPIC!). And I have defended you
plenty. Your candidate lost. You already told me that you understood why I
wanted to vote for Obama because " poverty and racism are more important
to you" ( that was you talking to* me*) so what am I left with but to
assume that poverty and racism don't quite cut the mustard as issues for
you? You wanted Hillary to win so much as if there was some huge
ideological gulf between her and the other candidates. I honestly don't
know why. I think she was the least electable candidate ( although as I
have said before..I would work for her if she was the nominee) and this
year its all about getting a Democrat elected regardless of race, sex,
favorite baseball team or ...uh.. I dunno. Whatever. Only thing I can
imagine, at first, was that it is because she is a woman. That's fine I
guess...silly( I mean, shit Margaret Thatcher is a woman)...but
whatever.. and then I remembered the Wesly Clark thing... (Just what we
need. Another military dude running the show). Ok, they are pals( the
Clintons and Clark) and are the same sort of Democrat Lite .... but why
not Obama? Did you support Bill Clinton? Not that much experience- he came
out of frakking no where..I supported him.I liked the fact that he came
out of frakking nowhere..How did you feel about JFK? I assume you were a
fan.....or maybe not....young guy, new ideas, kinda like the current
candidate. So I had to ask myself...what is her problem with Obama that
would cause such vitriol directed at him and his supporters? Guess what I
came up with. I really hope it's not true.
On the positive side you have me liking Kevin McClave who has been posting
here forever( longer than I have even.. I think) and with whom I have had
numerous dumb fights so maybe, just maybe, you are the great uniter
yourself. In which case I congratulate and thank you.
Now..... I am truly done with this and if you want to take it private and
stop boring all these nice people then feel free.
And again, I am not the first person here who has implied that there is
some racism in your critiques of "Obamanation". So suck it up and deal
with it. You can't accuse me of misogyny. Or I guess you can. Whatever.
Geez.
Now you will excuse me while I go pick out drapes with Kevin.
