T3 continues to make excuses for His Boys:
> I don't know how it works over there, but pretty much everywhere here
> the DQ process is *not* anything like a trial, there are no rules on
> how one gathers evidence, the accused doesn't have any right of
> discovery, nor, as I tried to illustrate to Mark, can anyone claim
> legality because past indiscretion's went unpunished. You are legal at
> the time they check you, or you are not and the series owners decide,
> period. Mat's crank fell outside the realm of what is allowed and he
> was DQ'd, end of story.
No, it's more like "DMG says Mat's crank fell outside the realm of
what is allowed and he
was DQ'd, end of story".
> Whether you, I, or the man in the moon believe
> that process fair or not doesn't matter, that's just how it is and why
> it's never a good idea to get caught with your hands in the no-no parts
Ultimately it does matter, DMG has to dispaly some level of fairness
and consistency and equality of treatment of they want to have people
involved in their series. If the perception ends up that they used
their dictatorial power to gain revenge over people who have been
critical of them, it isn't going to be good for their series.
Arbitrary and capricious will get them nowhere.
> Do I think DMG/Proracing will abrogate, or relinquish that power?
> Absofuckinlutely not, not today, not ever, and if what I heard month's
> ago holds any water, that basic principle was paramount in their
> decision to buy Proracing.
Sounds like an exaggeration. Their obvious preference or requirement
was that they control the whole thing rather than allow the AMA to
continue as the sanctioning body. Looking at their concept of the
series in terms of classes and rules, it's pretty obvious why. But to
agree to have some sort of reasonable appeal process not entirely in
their control doesn't seem like some massive loss of power, it's a
very normal thing in the course of business. And teams always have the
right to sue for damages in the courts, DMG can't control that.
> You have to realize and I think the teams
> finally do now, that this is not the old Proracing where a wink and a
> nod could get you by tech, these new guys *seem* to know what they're
> doing and as we see now, aren't going to hesitate to drop the hammer on
> *anyone* for sinning.
"Anyone" does belong in quotation marks. For instance, they certainly
seemed reluctant to go after Spies here.
> It's sorta' like this, the teams agree with each
> other and the series owners about what modifications are allowed and
> expect (and sometimes demand) the owners to enforce those rules, as
> it's the owners responsibility alone, but did they? I believe they did,
> though from the looks of it they may have been a little tardy in doing
> so, but in the end does it matter? Hard for me me to say, even though
> I'd imagine Hacking and the Honda/Yam boys would more than likely think
Again with contradictory notions. First you say the AMA did this wink
and a nod stuff with the OEMs, and then you seem to claim that only
Yosh Suzuki cheated, that the other OEMs were happy to see them
spanked for it. I don't think there's anything that suggests that in
the public record, and the other OEMs are probably a bit concerned
about the "arbitrary and capricious" thing as well. Well, maybe not
Ducati and Buell and BMW and KTM, who must be getting that "greatest
among equals" feeling with DMG....
> This particular instance had some added drama because Mat and Yosh were
> foolish enough to run their mouth's, but events such as this are not
> what the promoters like, they're in their comfort zone is when things
> go smooth without any problems, because they're well aware these deals
> generate shitstorms that are not good for business and make no mistake,
> racing is their business..
Huh? "Mat and Yosh were foolish enough to run their mouth's [sic}"?
About what? Contesting DMG's ruling and the process involved? Or
questioning the DMG "vision" for the series including class
> In retrospect, I wonder why Hayes's DIS DQ wasn't enough to warrant
> *everyone* to make damn sure they were spot on legal, it just doesn't
> make much sense given Yosh has been around the block so many times,
> curious, huh?
Not curious at all, that was an obvious violation and a call that the
AMA would have made in the absence of DMG - they only consulted with
Rog Ed because they'd agreed to sell him their series and it came down
at France's big event. And Erion never contested it, right?
> Was it hubris, were they looking to make some noise, or
> just got sloppy? We'll probably never know,
And then of course there's the possibility that you refuse to
acknowledge, that they honestly consider the crank to be entirely
legal. Whether or not it was is what we'll never know...