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Author: RenliRenli Date: Feb 27, 2008 12:11
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images (such as Chinese Characters) have not been preserved. I invite
anyone to comment on this document, do so in the knowledge that
positive contributions will be incorporated in future versions of the
Chi FAQ.
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2.0 Is Chi a Scientific Theory?
Statement: The process by which Chi operates is unscientific! It is of
no value.
To answer the question, yes. But for those who make the statement, the
short answer is not going to be good enough. To give the issue a
proper analysis let's first define precisely what is being asked for,
so that there is no misunderstanding. If you are the kind of person
who is more likely to make the statement, then you should examine your
motives - as often such a question will be asked by someone who does
not really want an answer, but will only ask because he assumes one
can't be given.
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Author: David L. BurkheadDavid L. Burkhead Date: Feb 27, 2008 13:31
Please don't try to talk about what's "Scientific" and what isn't, that
constitutes scientific evidence and what doesn't. Every time you do so, you
get it wrong.
Some examples:
"The most accurate of proofs in science are observable proofs. When an
apple fell in his garden, Sir Isaac Newton concluded that there was
some force that brought it down."
That turns out not to be the case. The idea that there was some "force"
that pulled things to Earth goes more to Galileo than to Newton. The
"apple" story (if it ever happened at all and wasn't simply something made
up after the fact) is more likely that the apple, falling in the wind,
described a curved path. Newton then extrapolated that higher horizontal
speed would make for a "flatter" curve and that sufficient speed would lead
to a curve that matched that of the Earth. In such a case (ignoring drag)
the apple would circle the Earth indefinitely. That leads to "central
forces forming closed circuits and, the inverse square law for gravity which
produces a single, simple, unified theory that explains both Gallilo's laws
of motion and Kepler's laws of planetary motion.
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Author: RichRich Date: Feb 27, 2008 13:59
On Feb 27, 9:11 pm, Renli gmail.com> wrote:
> I invite anyone to comment on this document, do so in the knowledge that
> positive contributions will be incorporated in future versions of the
> Chi FAQ.
Most gracious. :)
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> 2.0 Is Chi a Scientific Theory?
Sorry for the rough start, but "no". No more than force or energy is a
scientific theory. It's something that may be (potentially) described
in terms of scientific theories.
> Statement: The process by which Chi operates is unscientific! It is of
> no value.
By "unscientific", do you mean "supernatural"?
> The most accurate of proofs in science are observable proofs. When an
> apple fell in his garden, Sir Isaac Newton concluded that there was
> some force that brought it down. Thus, the concept of gravity was
> born.
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Author: halhal Date: Feb 27, 2008 14:50
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:31:28 -0500, "David L. Burkhead"
sff.net> wrote:
>Please don't try to talk about what's "Scientific" and what isn't, that
>constitutes scientific evidence and what doesn't. Every time you do so, you
>get it wrong.
>
>Some examples:
My nominations for the most pendantic bullshit post of the week.
Um, David, me thinks you have way too much spare time on your hands.
Did you have a question somewhere in all that? What is it exactly
that you don't understand?
Hal
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Author: David L. BurkheadDavid L. Burkhead Date: Feb 27, 2008 14:55
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:31:28 -0500, "David L. Burkhead"
> sff.net> wrote:
>
>>Please don't try to talk about what's "Scientific" and what isn't, that
>>constitutes scientific evidence and what doesn't. Every time you do so,
you
>>get it wrong.
>>
>>Some examples:
>
Hal's mind is made up. Don't confuse him with facts.
> My nominations for the most pendantic bullshit post of the week.
My nomination for the most content-free comeback of the week.
> Um, David, me thinks you have way too much spare time on your hands.
Um, Hal, methinks you have way too much hands on your time.
> Did you have a question somewhere in all that?
No, actually. Never said I did.
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Author: halhal Date: Feb 27, 2008 14:58
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:59:18 -0800 (PST), Rich
hotmail.com> wrote:
>If it's just a visualisation and training method, that's fine but
>that's all it is, it's not a Real Thing. Visualising that you're a
>tiger or a gold medallist might help you be good at interviews, but
>the tiger isn't real, the gold medal doesn't exist. Do you see?
do you see that if it makes a mild mannered man able to fight like a
tiger it is a real thing?
Hal
>Cheers
>Rich
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Author: RichRich Date: Feb 27, 2008 14:58
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:31:28 -0500, "David L. Burkhead"
>
> sff.net> wrote:
>>Please don't try to talk about what's "Scientific" and what isn't, that
>>constitutes scientific evidence and what doesn't. Every time you do so, you
>>get it wrong.
>
>>Some examples:
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>
>
> My nominations for the most pendantic bullshit post of the week.
Whereof one cannot speak, Hal, thereon must one remain silent :)
Rich
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Author: RichRich Date: Feb 27, 2008 15:00
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:59:18 -0800 (PST), Rich
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> hotmail.com> wrote:
>>If it's just a visualisation and training method, that's fine but
>>that's all it is, it's not a Real Thing. Visualising that you're a
>>tiger or a gold medallist might help you be good at interviews, but
>>the tiger isn't real, the gold medal doesn't exist. Do you see?
>
> do you see that if it makes a mild mannered man able to fight like a
> tiger it is a real thing?
You're not very bright, so I'll say it slowly.
The self-deception is real.
The tiger is not.
I can't get the nouns down to single syllables, so you might want to
ask for help there.
:P
Rich
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Author: halhal Date: Feb 27, 2008 15:04
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:00:56 -0800 (PST), Rich
hotmail.com> wrote:
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Author: halhal Date: Feb 27, 2008 15:07
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:55:52 -0500, "David L. Burkhead"
sff.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:31:28 -0500, "David L. Burkhead"
>> sff.net> wrote:
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>>>Please don't try to talk...
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