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Author: RenliRenli Date: Mar 27, 2008 09:32
There's been a little controversy here about this and I haven't
released the updated version of the FAQ yet, so I am tossing this out
as a call for discussion before I release the new pdf file. I'm sorry
if hyperlinks and footnotes don't copy, but everything is as it should
be in the original pdf.
I'm looking for different opinions here so pile on, everyone, please.
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7.0 What kind of Chi is used in Martial Arts?
(Note: This section probably needs to be expanded).
It is obvious that a major component of Traditional Chinese Medicine
(TCM) is the concept of Chi. A quick study of TCM theories may help to
make clear the meaning of Chi with respect to martial arts, in the
hope of retracing the steps of the masters. We do this because we note
that all of the chi-theories which are associated with martial arts
come from medical texts such as the Huangdi Neijing.
In Chinese Medicine, a particular form of chi will refer to the Jing-
Luo network of meridians used in acupuncture. The best way to
understand what this refers to is by understanding a little more about
Chinese Medicine:
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Author: Stanley MooreStanley Moore Date: Mar 27, 2008 14:54
> There's been a little controversy here about this and I haven't
> released the updated version of the FAQ yet, so I am tossing this out
> as a call for discussion before I release the new pdf file. I'm sorry
> if hyperlinks and footnotes don't copy, but everything is as it should
> be in the original pdf.
>
> I'm looking for different opinions here so pile on, everyone, please.
>
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>
> 7.0 What kind of Chi is used in Martial Arts?
>
> (Note: This section probably needs to be expanded).
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Author: WannabeSomeoneCaresWannabeSomeoneCares Date: Mar 27, 2008 15:39
> There's been a little controversy here about this and I haven't
> released the updated version of the FAQ yet, so I am tossing this out
> as a call for discussion before I release the new pdf file. I'm sorry
> if hyperlinks and footnotes don't copy, but everything is as it should
> be in the original pdf.
>
> I'm looking for different opinions here so pile on, everyone, please.
>
> -----
>
> 7.0 What kind of Chi is used in Martial Arts?
>
> (Note: This section probably needs to be expanded).
>
> It is obvious that a major component of Traditional Chinese Medicine
> (TCM) is the concept of Chi. A quick study of TCM theories may help to
> make clear the meaning of Chi with respect to martial arts, in the
> hope of retracing the steps of the masters. We do this because we note ...
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Author: RenliRenli Date: Mar 27, 2008 17:14
On Mar 28, 5:54 am, "Stanley Moore" comcast.net> wrote:>> There's been a little controversy here about this and I haven't
>> released the updated version of the FAQ yet, so I am tossing this out
>> as a call for discussion before I release the new pdf file. I'm sorry
>> if hyperlinks and footnotes don't copy, but everything is as it should
>> be in the original pdf.
>
>> I'm looking for different opinions here so pile on, everyone, please.
>
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>
>> 7.0 What kind of Chi is used in Martial Arts?
>
>> (Note: This section probably needs to be expanded).
>
> How about the truth?: ...
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Author: RenliRenli Date: Mar 27, 2008 17:30
On Mar 28, 6:39 am, WannabeSomeoneCa...@ gmail.com wrote: >
> You have to separate the idea of "chi" used in Traditional Chinese
> Medicine and Chinese Martial Arts.
> They used the same word but meant
> quite different things. They why the word "chi" has many meanings and
> it is very confusing. If you try to mix the definitions of "chi" in
> medicine and martial arts, your head will explode.
My head hasn't exploded yet ;-)
>> "Chi is a kind of driving force (Dong Li). For example blood
>> circulation can be explained with the term Chi. ...Chi comes from food,
>> from breathing, it is also given to us by our parents and stored in
>> the body as "Original Qi" (Yuan Qi)." (-Feng)
>
> That "Original Qi" belongs to TCM.
Yet it is called Yuan Qi, which is said by Chen Xin to specifically be
the precursor of Zhong Qi.
Therefore it is one and the same.
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Author: GreendistantstarGreendistantstar Date: Mar 28, 2008 04:20
> On Mar 28, 5:54 am, "Stanley Moore" comcast.net> wrote:>>> There's been a little controversy here about this and I haven't
>>> released the updated version of the FAQ yet, so I am tossing this out
>>> as a call for discussion before I release the new pdf file. I'm sorry
>>> if hyperlinks and footnotes don't copy, but everything is as it should
>>> be in the original pdf.
>>
>>> I'm looking for different opinions here so pile on, everyone, please.
>>
>>> -----
>>
>>> 7.0 What kind of Chi is used in Martial Arts?
>>
>>> (Note: This section probably needs to be expanded). ...
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Author: WannabeSomeoneCaresWannabeSomeoneCares Date: Mar 28, 2008 06:02
> On Mar 28, 6:39 am, WannabeSomeoneCa...@ gmail.com wrote: >>
>> That "Original Qi" belongs to TCM.
>
> Yet it is called Yuan Qi, which is said by Chen Xin to specifically be
> the precursor of Zhong Qi.
>
> Therefore it is one and the same.
>
It is very confusing to mix the concept of "chi" in TCM with the
concept of "chi" in martial arts because they should have used
different words. All these "chi" can be translated into English using
modern words, especially the "chi" used in martial arts.
It is, however, more difficult to simply use modern words because the
TCM "chi" is a part of a holistic system. "chi" or "qi" is used to
described the state of health inside a body, while acupuncture and
Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) are the means to manipulate chi.
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Author: RenliRenli Date: Mar 28, 2008 07:37
On Mar 28, 7:20 pm, "Greendistantstar"
bigpond.net.au> wrote:>
>> I conclude then, that "the truth" is a little different from what you
>> believe. Hence, the FAQ.
>
> Apparently, new entries to the FAQ must meet with the approval of the
> FAQ....wtf??
>
> Quite a curious way to get to the truth of the matter.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say (see below)
> Oh, and btw, Stanley's addition is spot on.
Opiniuendo will not be accepted. I asked for any references or proof
that what he was saying was true.
After all, I suppose the small mountain of evidence in the form of
authoritative sources I've managed to dig up could always be countered
by a greater number of, or *more* authoritative sources. He has yet to
provide any.
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Author: MikeMike Date: Mar 28, 2008 07:51
On Mar 28, 10:37Â am, Renli gmail.com> wrote:
> My preconceptions have little to do with it. As was stated in the OP,
> everything in the FAQ is referenced.
You mean...circularly referenced.
-Mike K.
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Author: halhal Date: Mar 28, 2008 08:03
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:51:41 -0700 (PDT), Mike
yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mar 28, 10:37=A0am, Renli gmail.com> wrote:
>>> My preconceptions have little to do with it. As was stated in the OP,
>> everything in the FAQ is referenced.
>
>You mean...circularly referenced.
>
>-Mike K.
oh god, here we go again.....
it's just like Deja Vu, over, and over, and over.....
Hal
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