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Author: RenliRenli Date: Apr 3, 2008 22:47
previous disclaimers about missing footnotes, images, hyperlinks, etc.
apply.
Please note this is the best place to discuss emitted chi, no touch
knockouts, etc. if you practice these skills or your school teaches
them, please send full details to my email address (or discuss it
here) - we need more information and I am certainly willing to change
the basis of this section if new information should come to light.
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2 Are Chi Bolts Real? (Re: Chi Emission)
This covers any question about Chi being emitted such as in "lin kong
jin", "no-touch knockouts", "kiai masters" who can stun or disable
with a shout etc. The answer?
No.
Let's examine the evidence.
"The Emission of Chi outside the body is preposterous." - Wang, Xiang-
Zhai (Founder of modern Yi Quan)
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Author: RenliRenli Date: Apr 3, 2008 23:05
Renli wrote:
> In Robert W. Smith's "Chinese Boxing: Masters and Methods" (1974), Tai
> Chi Chuan Master Cheng Man-Ching explained empty force to a young Tai
> Chi student who claimed her teacher had controlled her without
> physical contact. According to Cheng, "...the trick will not work
> against an equal or superior.", and the entire skill, "...depended on
> student awe, however, and would not work against a good boxer"(page
> 35).
As an aside, and I hope Goldberg is reading this, Master Huang was a
student of CMC. You know the guy shown in the "Mind-Bending"
thread ;-)
Interesting, no?
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Author: Mark GoldbergMark Goldberg Date: Apr 4, 2008 05:29
Renli wrote:
> Renli wrote:
>> In Robert W. Smith's "Chinese Boxing: Masters and Methods" (1974), Tai
>> Chi Chuan Master Cheng Man-Ching explained empty force to a young Tai
>> Chi student who claimed her teacher had controlled her without
>> physical contact. According to Cheng, "...the trick will not work
>> against an equal or superior.", and the entire skill, "...depended on
>> student awe, however, and would not work against a good boxer"(page
>> 35).
>
> As an aside, and I hope Goldberg is reading this, Master Huang was a
> student of CMC. You know the guy shown in the "Mind-Bending"
> thread ;-)
>
> Interesting, no?
>
> -
Ok... I read it 13 yrs ago, in the old neijia group. And it was
interesting in that groups hands....
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Author: Mark GoldbergMark Goldberg Date: Apr 4, 2008 05:34
Renli wrote:
> Renli wrote:
>> In Robert W. Smith's "Chinese Boxing: Masters and Methods" (1974), Tai
>> Chi Chuan Master Cheng Man-Ching explained empty force to a young Tai
>> Chi student who claimed her teacher had controlled her without
>> physical contact. According to Cheng, "...the trick will not work
>> against an equal or superior.", and the entire skill, "...depended on
>> student awe, however, and would not work against a good boxer"(page
>> 35).
>
> As an aside, and I hope Goldberg is reading this, Master Huang was a
> student of CMC. You know the guy shown in the "Mind-Bending"
> thread ;-)
>
> Interesting, no?
>
> -
Oh... I forgot to add... so was Wm Chen, who made the challenge in
Huang's honor, and honesty's honor, and realities honor, and the other
bonehead, who also said something like you said... about having what no ...
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Author: MikeMike Date: Apr 4, 2008 06:01
On Apr 4, 1:47Â am, Renli gmail.com> wrote:
> But what about scientific studies done on Emitted Qi?
>
> The result of such studies is invariably that Qi does not really
> operate in this way, or with only very limited effects. For example,
> in scientific papers by S. Tsuyoshi Ohnishi and Tomoko Ohnishi
> ("Philosophy, Psychology, Physics and Practice of Ki") it is concluded
> that while there may be some infra-red radiation emitted by some
> practitioners, it does not affect people who have not studied that
> particular form of Ki-emission. This scientifically confirms the
> conclusions we reached above, that the emission of Ki (Chi) is not a
> viable martial arts technique.
Again, do not use the phrase "scientifically confirms". You barely
have the credibility to claim your shoes are tied, let along make a
statement like that.
Viable is a word that carries it's own implications. What do you mean
by viable?
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Author: RenliRenli Date: Apr 4, 2008 06:56
On Apr 4, 8:29 pm, Mark Goldberg optonline.net> wrote:>
>> As an aside, and I hope Goldberg is reading this, Master Huang was a
>> student of CMC. You know the guy shown in the "Mind-Bending"
>> thread ;-)
>
>> Interesting, no?
>
> Ok... I read it 13 yrs ago, in the old neijia group. And it was
> interesting in that groups hands....
Yes, I was in the neijia list 13 years ago too. I've learned a lot
since then.
> Here, it is afflicted with your need to play professor yourself.
That is your perception.
> If... it was just a person, who wasn't a purely pedantic, self
> aggrandizing person, who- as you put it'is doing things' no one else is
> doing, in the whole world' it would be of academic interest, and more.
That's a pretty big IF. Fortunately for me, most people are not mark
goldberg, so they do consider it quite interesting in and of itself.
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Author: Mark GoldbergMark Goldberg Date: Apr 4, 2008 07:18
>
> Obsessive-compulsive disorder
> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> Jump to: navigation, search
> "OCD" redirects here. For other uses, see OCD (disambiguation).
> Obsessive-compulsive disorder
>
Since any nutter.... can quote paragraphs out of wikipedia, we find a
classification of obsessively compelled, fake 'experts' who tend to be
'compulsive about using 'wikipedia' as if, they were now annointed to
not only assess, but confirm their 'diagnoses'.
You're a quack, and don't take my word... ask the entire newsgroup just
how deep your pathology runs
Or do you want to start quoting some of your talmud sources again, and
show it in living color
Mark
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Author: Mark GoldbergMark Goldberg Date: Apr 4, 2008 07:26
Renli wrote:
> On Apr 4, 8:29 pm, Mark Goldberg optonline.net> wrote:>>> As an aside, and I hope Goldberg is reading this, Master Huang was a
>>> student of CMC. You know the guy shown in the "Mind-Bending"
>>> thread ;-)
>>> Interesting, no?
>> Ok... I read it 13 yrs ago, in the old neijia group. And it was
>> interesting in that groups hands....
>
> Yes, I was in the neijia list 13 years ago too. I've learned a lot
> since then.
>
>> Here, it is afflicted with your need to play professor yourself.
>
> That is your perception.
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Author: RenliRenli Date: Apr 4, 2008 07:33
On Apr 4, 9:01 pm, Mike yahoo.com> wrote:> "Who are you to determine what is useful?"
That question has been on the tip of my tounge for quite some time ;-)
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Author: Mark GoldbergMark Goldberg Date: Apr 4, 2008 07:37
Renli wrote:
> On Apr 4, 8:29 pm, Mark Goldberg optonline.net> wrote:>>> As an aside, and I hope Goldberg is reading this, Master Huang was a
>>> student of CMC. You know the guy shown in the "Mind-Bending"
>>> thread ;-)
>>> Interesting, no?
>> Ok... I read it 13 yrs ago, in the old neijia group. And it was
>> interesting in that groups hands....
>
> Yes, I was in the neijia list 13 years ago too. I've learned a lot
> since then.
>
>> Here, it is afflicted with your need to play professor yourself.
>
> That is your perception.
>
>> If... it was just a person, who wasn't a purely pedantic, self
>> aggrandizing person, who- as you put it'is doing things' no one else is
>> doing, in the whole world' it would be of academic interest, and more.
> ...
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