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Author: OrinocoOrinoco Date: Aug 17, 2007 23:50
While trying to work out an impossible passing pattern that I was
*certain* I had been juggling the night before I made a basic causal
diagram editor:
http://files.myopera.com/orinoco/svg/causaldiagrams.svg
To use just click on a hand (which will turn red) then click on another
node to add a throw/pass.
You can click on the line to remove it, or click clear all lines to start
from scratch.
The Add/Remove Juggler/Beat links do exactly that.
The Delay links to the left of each line of nodes enables you to cycle
through a delay of 0, 0.5 & 1.
It works in Opera, Firefox & IE+ASV (apart from removing beats doesn't
seem to work).
Just thought someone else might find it useful for something.
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Author: Dave BarnesDave Barnes Date: Aug 20, 2007 16:43
Orinoco wrote:
Good stuff! Working fine here in Firefox. It might help me get round to
understanding causal digrams a bit better.
Thanks,
Dave
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Author: n8raen8rae Date: Aug 21, 2007 14:30
Dave Barnes wrote:
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> Orinoco wrote:
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> Good stuff! Working fine here in Firefox. It might help me get round to
> understanding causal digrams a bit better.
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> Thanks,
> Dave
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Author: MiikaMiika Date: Aug 21, 2007 18:47
n8rae wrote:
> well i've played around with it a bit.
> it' looks realy good and is easy to use.
> you could think about setting up a library of well known siteswaps and
> some which don't work with ss.
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> nathan
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> by the way, are you meant to be able to throw balls back in time?
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Casual diagrams can have arrows going back one beat, but not two.
Which types of patterns do you mean, that don't work with siteswap?
A library would be great. As would rhythm changes and other goodies. A
nice program none the less.
-Miika
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(btw, tämä on seitsemäskymmenesensimmäinen viestini tässä uutisryhmässä)
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Author: Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht eduMartin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu Date: Aug 22, 2007 08:51
> n8rae wrote:
>> by the way, are you meant to be able to throw balls back in time?
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> Casual diagrams can have arrows going back one beat, but not two.
Actually, they can go back two counts -- that represents an empty
hand. Going back one count represents a handacross.
The SVG causal diagram editor looks interesting.
One thing it can't seem to do is generate hand throw sequences for a
given juggler other than R L R L R L. So it can't diagram Jim's
3-Count, for example.
It also apparently can't do delays other than 1/2 count (or 1 count),
so that eliminates some other patterns. (Oh, and it seems like the
arrows should move with the letters when you change the delay!
Otherwise you can get arrow coming from or going to spaces between
R's and L's.)
For me, Add Beat and Remove Beat don't work. I assume those are
supposed to be used to make longer or shorter diagrams.
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Author: OrinocoOrinoco Date: Aug 22, 2007 09:09
Miika wrote:
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> n8rae wrote:
>> well i've played around with it a bit.
>> it' looks realy good and is easy to use.
>> you could think about setting up a library of well known siteswaps and
>> some which don't work with ss.
>>
>> nathan
>>
>> by the way, are you meant to be able to throw balls back in time?
>>
>>
>
> Casual diagrams can have arrows going back one beat, but not two.
>
> Which types of patterns do you mean, that don't work with siteswap?
>
> A library would be great. As would rhythm changes and other goodies. A
> nice program none the less. ...
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Author: OrinocoOrinoco Date: Aug 22, 2007 09:25
Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu wrote:
>> n8rae wrote:
>>> by the way, are you meant to be able to throw balls back in time?
>>
>> Casual diagrams can have arrows going back one beat, but not two.
>
> Actually, they can go back two counts -- that represents an empty
> hand. Going back one count represents a handacross.
>
> The SVG causal diagram editor looks interesting.
>
> One thing it can't seem to do is generate hand throw sequences for a
> given juggler other than R L R L R L. So it can't diagram Jim's
> 3-Count, for example.
>
> It also apparently can't do delays other than 1/2 count (or 1 count),
> so that eliminates some other patterns. (Oh, and it seems like the
> arrows should move with the letters when you change the delay! ...
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Author: MiikaMiika Date: Aug 23, 2007 10:23
Martin wrote:
>Miika writes:
>> n8rae wrote:
>>> by the way, are you meant to be able to throw balls back in time?
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>> Casual diagrams can have arrows going back one beat, but not two.
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> Actually, they can go back two counts -- that represents an empty
> hand. Going back one count represents a handacross.
Well, a little missinformation stirs more conversation. I was trying to
say that the editor was written with casual diagrams in mind, not ladder
diagrams, though it works for both.
>I suggest getting rid of the circles around the letters. They don't
>add any information, and they clutter up the causal diagrams a bit.
I like the circles. If they were color coded, you wouldn't even need the
letters. In addition, it'd be nice to see a circular editor, where the
diagram curves back onto itself, to visualize periodic patterns.
-Miika
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Author: Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht eduMartin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu Date: Aug 25, 2007 04:01
> Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu wrote:
>> One thing it can't seem to do is generate hand throw sequences for a
>> given juggler other than R L R L R L. So it can't diagram Jim's
>> 3-Count, for example.
...
>> For me, Add Beat and Remove Beat don't work. I assume those are
>> supposed to be used to make longer or shorter diagrams.
...
>> Actually, with just the ability to change R's and L's to an arbitrary
>> sequence, the current SVG causal diagram editor would be much more
>> useful.
>
> Hi Martin, are you using Internet Explorer with the Adobe plug in? If so
> which version? On my machine at home the remove beat function returns an
> error in IE+ASV but the add beat function works.
Actually, I was using Safari under MacOSX 10.4.9. Add and remove beat
did nothing at all. I see now that add beat and remove beat work fine
with Firefox under Linux. I'll try Firefox on the Mac.
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Author: Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht eduMartin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu Date: Aug 25, 2007 19:44
>> Hi Martin, are you using Internet Explorer with the Adobe plug in? If so
>> which version? On my machine at home the remove beat function returns an
>> error in IE+ASV but the add beat function works.
>
> Actually, I was using Safari under MacOSX 10.4.9. Add and remove beat
> did nothing at all. I see now that add beat and remove beat work fine
> with Firefox under Linux. I'll try Firefox on the Mac.
Add and remove beat (and the othrr buttons) work fine with Firefox
2.0.0.6 under MacOSX 10.4.9.
Another useful feature would be the ability to save a diagram to a
file (other than with a screenshot) and then to be able to load it
back from the file.
Martin
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