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while under the surveillance of as many as eight A.T.F. agents.

o The F.B.I. cut off all utilities and sanitation. Government loudspeakers
blared nonstop with such sounds as jet planes, and the cries of rabbits
being slaughtered. [I have three loving bunnies who have free roam
inside my apartment: the Feds are sick puppies. What would the public
have thought if it were dying cats or dogs?] Tanks fired percussion
grenades. Stadium lights kept the house illuminated around the clock.

Helicopters flew overhead. This does not contribute to trust in the
government negotiators, nor does it help the Koreshians make rational
decisions. Like walking out unarmed before a Federal army, using tanks
from the U.S. Defense Dept. [It should still be called the War Dept.]

o C.S. gas is never supposed to be used inside a building. Used inside,
it can create fires, and it can produce cyanide, which can immobilize
and kill. The manufacturer of C.S. gas, Aldridge Chemicals emphasized
that this product was intended for outdoor riot control only; it was
not supposed to be a weapon.

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and have
all equipment worldwide designed for their monitoring. They
are bent on controlling the world to the point of there being
no crime left on the planet. Of course, democracy destroyed
is the direct result.

----

This publication advocates five major items:

o Passage of ProCode/SAFE legislation, allowing U.S. companies to
export unlimited strength cryptography, free from "Key Recovery".
Key Recovery means messages are no longer a secret, because the
Government has screwed around with it.

o Killing the CALEA legislation, which orders all communications
equipment be DESIGNED so the Government can spy on it.

o Dismantling domestic ECHELON, the Government listening in on our
domestic phone calls.

o A Cabinet-level U.S. Privacy Commission, with teeth.

----

The "average" American has no idea why cryptography is important to them.

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I
wanted to warn him that traffic on the Internet can be scanned by gawd
knows who, and it might be possible for him to get embarrassed by it.

He emailed back and asked what I thought the chances of that happening were.

I said low.

Three days later they started their steamy traffic again.

Over months of time, one can accumulate an extended amount of information
about people by their traffic.

Very personal information.

In fact, you don't even have to send email to have personal items about you
disclosed. Just having an email address on your business card can do it.

Like when someone who sounded like a college girl who was a friend of their
family wrote to a very senior management person about a condition and whether
it was going to require surgery.

* P42 "Secret Power" by Nicky Hager
*
* The strange feeling of reading other people's private communications has
* long worn off and the contents are generally routine.

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The New York Times, March 28 1997
*
* A storm of protest burst yesterday around a Police Department memo that
* orders every detective squad in New York City to collect yearbooks from
* the high...

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The FBI
* agent's linkage of his wife to "national security" seemed absurd. The
* agent, however, did not share George's amused astonishment.
*
* "Don't mock me," the couple remembers Emmett warning them.
*
* She had subscribed to the magazine for its impressive photography, and
* had written to the Soviet embassy to thank them for sending an icebreaker
* to free some whales, as suggested by a television show host.

How foolish of her to put her real name and return address on the letter.

* "Teen Sues FBI, Wants FBI File Purged", NYT, 11/12/89
*
* Todd Patterson, 17, became the object of an FBI investigation when he
* wrote to foreign governments as part of a sixth-grade project...

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using biometric data.
*
* The innovations of this technology can benefit banking and financial
* institutions, national welfare, benefits and immigration programs. In
* recent contracts, technology...

RESULT
rec.games.frp.moderated will be removed

The Last Call for Comments (LCC) on 24 Apr 2007 initiated a five-day period
for final comments. Following the comment period, the Big-8 Management Board
has decided by consensus to remove the newsgroup rec.games.frp.moderated

This group will be removed on 07 May 2007.

RATIONALE: remove rec.games.frp.moderated

rec.games.frp.moderated has been inactive for several years, with no
approved user posts or submissions since August 2003. Notices have been
posted monthly since September 2004, looking for a replacement moderator;
nobody has volunteered. The group can reasonably be considered dead, and
should either find a new moderator that can try to revive it, or it should
be removed.

HISTORY:

rec.games.frp.moderated was created in May 2000, in response to ongoing
flamewars in the rec.games.frp.* hierarchy. The group enjoyed regular
traffic for slightly less than a year, during which the flamewars in the
hierarchy also died down; by July 2001, the traffic had fallen to nothing.

As noted by Rick Pikul in June 2003:

REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
remove rec.games.frp.moderated

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to remove the moderated
newsgroup rec.games.frp.moderated.

PROCEDURE:

The B8MB plans to begin voting on this proposal after five days. Please
offer any final discussion or comments before the end of this waiting
period. Voting may take up to one week (7 days); a result will be posted
following the end of the voting period.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.proposals.

The full group removal procedure is documented here:

http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:rmgroup

SUMMARY OF DISCUSSION:

There were no comments made publicly.

RATIONALE: remove rec.games.frp.moderated

REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
remove rec.games.frp.moderated

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to remove the moderated
newsgroup rec.games.frp.moderated.

RATIONALE: remove rec.games.frp.moderated

rec.games.frp.moderated has been inactive for several years, with no
approved user posts or submissions since August 2003. Notices have been
posted monthly since September 2004, looking for a replacement moderator;
nobody has volunteered. The group can reasonably be considered dead, and
should either find a new moderator that can try to revive it, or it should
be removed.

HISTORY:

rec.games.frp.moderated was created in May 2000, in response to ongoing
flamewars in the rec.games.frp.* hierarchy. The group enjoyed regular
traffic for slightly less than a year, during which the flamewars in the
hierarchy also died down; by July 2001, the traffic had fallen to nothing.

As noted by Rick Pikul in June 2003:

The trolls that were causing the problem in rgf.misc have engaged
in a concentrated plot to kill rgf.mod.

rec.games.frp.moderated is a dead group. It has gotten less than
five relevant posts in the last 18 months; it's not even been worth
sorting through the spam, and not a single person has complained. As
such, as of 17 Sep 2004, I proclaim this group dead and buried.

I will hold this namespace open to anyone that actually wishes to
use it. Otherwise, if you're still reading this, thanks for stopping by,
but you may want to check out the rest of the rec.games.frp.* hierarchy,
which works a lot better than this.

- Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@killfile.org)
Former Moderator, rec.games.frp.moderated