On May 9 2008 4:40 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
> On May 9, 4:51 pm, "ChrisRobin"
wrote:>> On May 9 2008 1:06 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
>>
>>
>>
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>>> "ChrisRobin"
wrote in message
>>>news:44ocf5xmq3.ln2@recgroups.com...>>>> On May 8 2008 9:03 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
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>>>>> On Thu, 08 May 2008 17:43:52 -0700, "ChrisRobin"
c-k.com>
>>>>> wrote:>>
>>>>>>On May 8 2008 7:40 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 May 2008 15:59:48 -0700, "ChrisRobin"
>>>>>>>
wrote:>>
>>>>>>>>On May 8 2008 6:25 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 May 2008 10:44:20 -0700, "ChrisRobin"
>>>>>>>>>
wrote:>>
>>>>>>>>>>On May 8 2008 11:39 AM, Susan wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "K9way"
aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>news:6uibf5xt8v.ln2@recgroups.com...>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What a bunch of cowards
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bunch of cowards? Why haven't you commented on the Gitmo
>>>>>>>>>>> prisoner
>>>>>>>>released
>>>>>>>>>>> being the latest in suicide bombers? Poor baby wasn't
tortured
>>>> ENOUGH.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>Jesus you're daft. Ever think that he decided to blow himself
(and
>>>>>>others)
>>>>>>>>>>up BECAUSE we tortured him? Maybe we, like, motivated him?
>>
>>>>>>>>> That's even more Clueless than usual for you.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Plain and simple, he was a Jihadist who wanted his 72 virgins
and
>>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>>> for it at his earliest opportunity.
>>
>>>>>>>>You believe that... because the government told you. The same
>>>>>>>>government
>>>>>>>>that denies these folks due process. I mean, Big Momma Guvmint
>>>>>>>>wouldn't
>>>>>>>>LIE to you, would it? Hell, might as well just execute them all.
>>>>>>>>They're
>>>>>>>>obviously guilty, the government says so.
>>
>>>>>>>>Meanwhile, back in reality:
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>I'm heartened to know that for every atrocity and violation of
civil
>>>>>>>>liberties this government commits, there are patriots like FL
Turbo
>>>>>>>>who
>>>>>>>>will cheer them on. What a great American.
>>
>>>>>>> And you?
>>
>>>>>>If that's the definition of a great American, then obviously not.
>>
>>>>>>> Someone gullible enough to believe any Perp that tells you he was
>>>>>>> framed?
>>
>>>>>>Nice insular reasoning. They're imprisoned, therefore they're
guilty..
>>>>>>Hey,
>>>>>>no need to try them! I'm sure those government folks have everyone's
>>>>>>best
>>>>>>interest in mind, right? Gullible indeed.
>>
>>>>>>> Someone always willing and eager to make excuses for a suicide
bomber
>>>>>>> and take his side?
>>
>>>>>>You don't know they're suicide bombers or terrorists. You just think
you
>>>>>>do, because you're lazy and unwilling to confront the facts. Did you
>>>>>>even
>>>>>>bother to follow the link? (Of course you didn't).
>>
>>>>> Heh.
>>
>>>>> The original story is about the SplodeyDope was that he did indeed
>>>>> kill himself in a suicide bombing.
>>>>> Sorry, but the old "Now See What You Made Me Do" line doesn't cut it.
>>
>>>> So after getting thrown in Guantanamo and likely tortured for a few
years,
>>>> he's just supposed to go back to his life and pretend nothing happened?
>>
>>>> (You see, El Turbo, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy that perpetuates
the
>>>> whole cycle of violence. Throw a bunch of harmless people in the clink,
>>>> torture them for a few years, and voila! Instant terrorists. Kind of
like
>>>> what we did to Iraq, ya know - invent a terrorism problem where none
>>>> existed before, so eventually the radicalized populace can be used to
>>>> justify our continued presence there. Diabolically clever!)
>>
>>>>> Yes, I did follow the link.
>>>>> It was a whole bunch of people yelling the Standard "I was framed"
>>>>> line that every other inmate recites.
>>
>>>> Hey, I know what could clear all of this confusion up - fair trials!
Novel
>>>> idea, eh?
>>
>>>>>>> Someone willing to believe in the moronic 911 Conspiracy Theorists?
>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I am indeed willing to argue in favor of my own country.
>>>>>>> Guilty as charged.
>>
>>>>>>You need to learn to separate your country from your country's
>>>>>>government.
>>>>>>Mindless support of your government does not make you patriotic. Just
>>>>>>stupid.
>>
>>>>> Pardon me if I turn that line right back at your own self.
>>
>>>>> "Mindless bashing of your country's government does not make you
>>>>> patriotic."
>>>>> "Just Mindless".
>>
>>>> Except that it isn't mindless, it's fully supported. I know you don't
have
>>>> a problem with slaughtering civilians in far off lands, but personally,
>>>> that shit bothers me. To each his own, I guess. Hey, didja check out
that
>>>> link I posted for bub in this thread? We're up to some good stuff in
>>>> Somalia. Check it out, I bet you'll drool in delight.
>>
>>>> And for the record, I've never claimed to be patriotic. Patriotism is
for
>>>> rubes.
>>
>>> "Patriotism is for rubes."
>>
>>> Yeah ChrisRobin, but you'll gladly enjoy the freedoms, rights and
benefits
>>> brought to you by the courage, blood and sacrifice of those "patriotic
>>> rubes".
>>
>> Oh, that whole "they're fighting for our freedom" misnomer. No offense but
>> since WWII, our military hasn't been "protecting" anything � it's been
>> used as a weapon to enforce the hegemony of American business interests
>> across the globe. But whatever helps you sleep at night...
>
> Stupid reductionism strikes again. The Soviet archives show that their
> intentions, although not their capabilities, were as aggressive as
> people like Henry Jackson and Barry Goldwater thought they were. I
> suppose you make the exception for WWII because that was to protect
> the Rodina. War is not really good for business. For your reductionist
> theory to be correct the people making these pro-war decisions would
> have to be as stupid as you are, or as single-minded as Chomsky.
You just don't get it. War IS the business. We've had the world's largest
nuclear deterrent on our side since WWII, there's been no need to spend
more money annually on our conventional military than the rest of the
world combined. It's lunacy. But it's lucrative lunacy, so it drives our
domestic and foreign policies.
Of course, when you admit that the Soviets didn't have the capability to
actually hurt us, you've essentially torpedoed your own point. Their
intentions were irrelevant if they didn't have the means to carry them
out, and our military-industrial complex realized that; and yet still,
they championed a massive build-up of arms and technology. It's all
bottom-line driven. Period.
> Resisting Islamicism in Afghanistan was not enforcing the hegemony of
> anyone's business interests and the fact that there are still young
> men from our allys in Europe fighting in those cold hills illustrates
> this.
That, of course, makes the asinine assumption that our true purpose in
Afghanistan is "resisting Islamicism," which is every bit as stupid and
naive as you claim that I am. Sometimes the war itself IS the business
interest. Think of Islam as the boogeyman that's used to convince us this
kind of permanent state of war is acceptable, even necessary. Terrorism
was a relatively non-existent threat to this country, even after 9/11
Christ, more people die from taking anti-inflammatory drugs EVERY SINGLE
YEAR than died at the WTC, and yet we've made this crusade the very
essence of our foreign policy, to the tune of trillions of dollars.
Because IT'S BUSINESS, and it's making business interests filthy fucking
rich.
> This administration has managed to make reality come perilously close
> to your caricature of reality. They have aided the loony dingbat left
> more than electing any Democrat ever could. They have harmed the cause
> of free markets and indifidual rights, perhaps ireperably. We will
> see. However, they have not made your thinking correct.
I have no idea what you're trying to say here, and I can't fathom how any
of the administration's bullshit helps ANYONE, particularly the left.
Quite obviously subversion of civil rights and free markets were two of
the Administration's (unspoken) goals, and they've achieved them
swimmingly. Let's hope they don't have more in store.
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