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Author: bookburnbookburn Date: Jan 7, 2008 10:00
I like the idea of tea because of the philosophy associated with it;
for me, that would be Taoism; but am into green tea because of a
cancer scare I had in '02. Had the bladder operation removing the
cancer and have been clear since, perhaps because of my change of
diet. Doctors mentioned taking Saw Palmetto, but nothing about
drinking green tea.
I looked up newsgroups talking about cancer diets and read about
Chinese green tea. A nurse who noted my intake of vitamins and
supplements commented that, yes green tea is drunk in China, and
Chinese have a low rate of bladder cancer, but they also have a higher
rate of stomach cancer. Doctor advised me to avoid tea with caffeine,
drink herbal instead.
Long story short, I drink daily a couple large mugs of Chinese green
tea, removing 80%% of the caffeine with a 30 second blanch. To do
this, I heat to steaming filtered water in a pan, blanch the tea, pour
out the water, and pour in some pure distilled water I have heated to
only about 140 degree f, steeping the leaves at least twice more. So
far, I haven't invested in a tea pot or tried the caffeine-free tea
bags; but I may.
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Author: Lewis PerinLewis Perin Date: Jan 7, 2008 10:54
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>
> I looked up newsgroups talking about cancer diets and read about
> Chinese green tea. A nurse who noted my intake of vitamins and
> supplements commented that, yes green tea is drunk in China, and
> Chinese have a low rate of bladder cancer, but they also have a
> higher rate of stomach cancer. Doctor advised me to avoid tea with
> caffeine, drink herbal instead.
Did that doctor imply that caffeine was carcinogenic? That would be
new to me.
> Long story short, I drink daily a couple large mugs of Chinese green
> tea, removing 80%% of the caffeine with a 30 second blanch.
Assuming you really want to remove most of the caffeine, 30 seconds
won't do it. We've been over this territory countless times in this
newsgroup. Please check the archives; I think you'll be persuaded.
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Author: Matti LamprheyMatti Lamprhey Date: Jan 8, 2008 07:38
> [snip]
>> There are, as Winston Churchill said, three types of lies: lies,
>> damned lies, and statistics;
>
> Actually, I believe this quote was originally attributed to Benjamin
> Disraeli.
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Author: ShenShen Date: Jan 8, 2008 08:46
On Jan 7, 10:39 pm, Ozzy wrote:> Lewis Perin panix.com> wrote innews:pc7wsqla2ky.fsf@panix2.panix.com:
>
> ...
>>> Did that doctor imply that caffeine was carcinogenic? That would be
>> new to me.
>
> ...
>
> That was unwelcome news to me, too, when a member of my cancer support
> group said it too. However, googling provided
>
> < http://www.benbest.com/health/caffeine.html>
>
> "Nonetheless, more recent evidence does show a capacity
> for caffeine to worsen the mutagenicity of ionizing
> radiation and other carcinogenic agents through interference
> with cell cycle control [MUTATION RESEARCH 532:85-102 (2003)]"
> ...
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Author: ShenShen Date: Jan 8, 2008 08:48
On Jan 7, 10:00 am, bookb...@ yahoo.com wrote: > I like the idea of tea because of the philosophy associated with it;
> for me, that would be Taoism; but am into green tea because of a
> cancer scare I had in '02. Had the bladder operation removing the
> cancer and have been clear since, perhaps because of my change of
> diet. Doctors mentioned taking Saw Palmetto, but nothing about
> drinking green tea.
>
> I looked up newsgroups talking about cancer diets and read about
> Chinese green tea. A nurse who noted my intake of vitamins and
> supplements commented that, yes green tea is drunk in China, and
> Chinese have a low rate of bladder cancer, but they also have a higher
> rate of stomach cancer. Doctor advised me to avoid tea with caffeine,
> drink herbal instead.
>
> Long story short, I drink daily a couple large mugs of Chinese green
> tea, removing 80%% of the caffeine with a 30 second blanch. To do
> this, I heat to steaming filtered water in a pan, blanch the tea, pour
> out the water, and pour in some pure distilled water I have heated to
> only about 140 degree f, steeping the leaves at least twice more. So ...
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Author: SNSN Date: Jan 8, 2008 09:39
stomach cancer in japan was due to high content of sodium & nitrates
(they used them alot for conservation and foods), and also maybe to
infection with H.Pylori.
As Japan started to combat this situation, they ended up detecting in
situ cancer -at a very early stage, and allowed them to treat this,
and so 'lowered' their rates.
Smoking + Alcohol (especially combined) are a very potent and
efficient method of getting esophageal cancer.
nicotine.../ smoking --> risk for other types as well, including
bladder cancer, pancreas.
caffeine i've heard/read conflicting on pancreatic cancer.
fats
--> colon cancer, and others.
high temperatures --> esophageal cancer risk.
dont know what kind of foods one eats to get ionizing radiation!!!
inside the body .........
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Author: bookburnbookburn Date: Jan 8, 2008 17:16
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:48:10 -0800 (PST), Shen gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Jan 7, 10:00 am, bookb...@ yahoo.com wrote: >> I like the idea of tea because of the philosophy associated with it;
>> for me, that would be Taoism; but am into green tea because of a
>> cancer scare...
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Author: DPMDPM Date: Jan 9, 2008 05:09
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>Stomach cancer is high in many Asian countries. Japan has a very, very
>high rate. In my opinion due to a sky high consumption of sodium (and
>possibly, high consumptions of raw fish and the heavy metals therein).
>I would think nicotine, ethanol and all that salt would dis-ease
>anything in Japan with or without tea.
I read years ago that the high stomach cancer rate in Japan was linked to
their use of talc for polishing rice; apparently talc affects the body much
like asbestos.
Has this been disproven?
Dean
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Author: Lewis PerinLewis Perin Date: Jan 9, 2008 07:36
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:48:10 -0800 (PST), Shen gmail.com>
> wrote:
> [...]
> I spent about two hours looking over some of the threads and did see
> others mentioning the same equation for the 30 blanche.
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Author: bookburnbookburn Date: Jan 9, 2008 10:27
On 09 Jan 2008 10:36:43 -0500, Lewis Perin panix.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:48:10 -0800 (PST), Shen gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> [...]
>> I spent about two hours looking over some of the threads and did see
>> others mentioning the same equation for the 30 blanche.
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